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Suboxone (Buprenorphine) Withdrawal Symptoms + How Long Do They Last?

Suboxone (Buprenorphine) is a medication that is primarily used to help individuals that are struggling with opiate addiction. This substance works as a semi-synthetic opioid agonist on the Mu receptor of the brain. In high doses it works to treat people that are trying to kick their addiction with opiates. In lower doses, it can be prescribed to help with moderate chronic pain. Since it is prescribed to many people trying to overcome their opiate dependency, there are many individuals that have been taking this drug for extended periods of time.

Although most people tend to find that this medication works for its intended purposes, it is more difficult than many think to withdraw from. In fact, some people have gone on to say that their withdrawal from Suboxone was more difficult than from their actual opiates. Theoretically it should be easier to withdraw from Suboxone, but some people get so accustomed to the drug when they come off of it, they cannot cope with life. This is a very powerful medication and a “controlled substance” (Schedule III). Most people notice that when they come off of it, they go through an intense withdrawal period.

Factors that influence Suboxone withdrawal include

There are many factors that have an influence on how quickly the withdrawal symptoms will subside. These include things like time that you took the drug, the amount you took, your personal physiology, as well as whether you plan to taper or come off “cold turkey.”

Another factor that may play a role is whether you still need the substance to treat your opiate addiction. It is not recommended to withdraw from Suboxone until you have your addiction under control and have a stress-free environment. It’s not recommended to come off of this medication unless you are prepared for the withdrawal symptoms that are in store.

1. Time Span

How long were you taking Suboxone? Generally the longer you took the drug, the more difficult the withdrawal process. Someone that has taken it for months will likely have an easier time coming off of it in comparison to someone who has been on it for years.  When you are on any drug for an extended period of time, your body becomes more reliant upon it for everyday functioning.  With Suboxone your body is getting an opiate-based response which helps lower pain levels.  Thus the longer you are on it, the longer it will take your body to build up its ability to naturally fight pain during the withdrawal process.

2. Dosage

This drug can be taken transdermally (e.g. a “film” applied to the skin), orally (e.g. pill form), and with injections. The dose of Suboxone film tends to range from 4 mg/1 mg buprenorphine/naloxone to 24 mg/6 mg buprenorphine/naloxone per day. Most people agree that even fairly low doses can be just as effective as higher doses at treating symptoms. In pill form, the dosage range tends to typically fall between 1 mg and 16 mg.

3. Individual physiology

When coming off of any drug, two people aren’t going to have the same reaction. Some individuals may experience an array of painful symptoms, while others may experience very minimal symptoms. Your individual physiology and nervous system plays a huge role in determining how you react to coming off of the medication.

4. Cold turkey vs. tapering

Suboxone tends to have a pretty long half life (37 hours) – meaning the drug stays in your system for a pretty lengthy amount of time. Despite the longer half life, it is still recommended to not quit this medication “cold turkey.” If you quit without conducting a gradual taper, you are basically leaving your body and mind in a state of chemical chaos.

Your body is used to the drug and if you quit cold turkey from a high dose, you may experience much more pain than necessary. It is recommended to follow a tapering protocol off of Suboxone so that you minimize withdrwal symptoms as much as possible.

Suboxone Withdrawal Symptoms: List of Possibilities

For many people withdrawal from Suboxone is just as difficult as the opiate that they were initially addicted to. Some people have attempted to quit this drug multiple times and are unable to cope with Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS). Many of the withdrawal symptoms are a result of the body and brain becoming reliant on the medication. Each day you are off of Suboxone, you should realize that your body will be working towards returning to physical and mental homeostasis.

  • Anxiety: Many people report severe anxiety and some experience panic when dealing with the withdrawal symptoms. Suboxone tends to have a calming effect on people, so it would make sense that when stopping this medication some people experience significant anxiety.
  • Body aches: It is common to report aches and pains throughout the body when quitting this medication. These aches may be somewhat painful, but do your best to cope with what you are feeling. Realize that these should gradually lessen as you make it further through withdrawal.
  • Concentration problems: You may feel as if you are unable to focus on any task. Work and/or school may become increasingly difficult. Your brain’s functioning was influenced by Suboxone and now you cut off the supply. It is trying to sort itself out as you withdraw from this medication.
  • Confusion: Some people report feeling a general sense of confusion when they quit this medication. Any drug that has an influence on the brain and neurotransmitters can result in a certain degree of confusion when you stop taking it.
  • Cravings: Suboxone is a Schedule III drug for a reason – it’s extremely powerful and in some cases addicting. Most people will experience some cravings for Suboxone when they first withdraw. These cravings happen because people have a difficult time dealing with the withdrawal experience – some symptoms can be pretty intense.
  • Depersonalization: You may not feel like yourself during the withdrawal, which may cause you to freak out. If you are feeling as though you have become a totally different person. And chemically, you have become a different person – your endorphin and neurotransmitters are different than they were when you started. It will take awhile to feel like your “old self” again.
  • Depression: It is very common to experience a general state of dysphoria and depression when you are coming off of Suboxone. It can be difficult to not identify with the depression – especially since it is linked with inadequate levels of neurotransmitters and endorphins. Do your best to realize that this is merely part of the withdrawal process and know that you will get better with time.  It has been found that Suboxone helps treatment-resistant depression – therefore it also serves as an “off label” antidepressant.  It makes logical sense that coming off of this medication may result in increased depression.
  • Diarrhea: Most people experience some sort of diarrhea when they quit Suboxone. This is because narcotics tend to cause constipation – coming off of them produces the opposite effect. An easy solution to this symptom is to buy some Imodium – which is available over-the-counter.
  • Discomfort: Most people coming off of this medication describe a sense of overall discomfort or malaise that they experience. If you are feeling especially uncomfortable, this is to be expected.
  • Dizziness: You may feel dizzy or experience vertigo when you quit this drug. Although this isn’t as commonly reported as other symptoms, it is still possible that you could feel dizzy – especially if you don’t gradually taper.
  • Fatigue: It is very obvious that you are going to experience fatigue when you stop taking Suboxone. This is a result of your body relying on the drug to give you energy throughout the day. Eventually the fatigue will subside and your energy levels will return to normal. Keep in mind that this may take an extended period of time.
  • Fear of going crazy: You may fear as if you are about to snap or as though you really cannot put up with these symptoms. Just keep in mind that this is the withdrawal process and your anxiety levels are high during this time.
  • Flu-like symptoms: Some people report feeling “sick” when they come off of this drug. Many of the symptoms including aches, pains, nausea, and sweating can feel similar to the flu.
  • Headaches: It is common to experience headaches during withdrawal from Suboxone. If they become extreme, you may want to conduct a more gradual taper and/or consider headache relief medication.
  • Insomnia: Many people will struggle to get a good night’s sleep when they initially stop taking Suboxone.  This is due to the fact that they are no longer receiving the same degree of opioidergic and GABAergic stimulation to facilitate CNS depression.  When stopping the drug, some individuals may experience severe insomnia despite feeling mentally and physically exhausted.
  • Irritability: Some individuals report feeling highly irritable and grouchy when they first stop taking the drug. This may keep up for an extended period of time until a person re-establishes proper neurotransmitter levels.
  • Malaise: Something may not feel right and you may notice that you just feel “off.” This is a general state of feeling ill or as if something is wrong. You should eventually recover from this feeling as time continues to pass.
  • Mood swings: Not everyone will experience mood swings, but those who do may find them very difficult to cope with. One minute you may feel as if things are turning a corner for the better, and the next you may feel depressed, discouraged, and angry. Take a step back and realize that it is completely normal to have fluctuations in mood as you heal.
  • Muscle tension: Many individuals report feeling especially tense during their withdrawal. Your muscles may feel very rigid and unable to relax. The best way to deal with this symptom is to work on guided relaxation in which you focus on mentally relaxing various parts of your body.
  • Nausea: You may feel nauseated throughout the day – in some cases to an extreme. This nausea may lead to vomiting in some cases. Recognize that this may be tough to cope with in the early stages of withdrawal, but will subside.
  • Pain: Since Suboxone is used by some people to help with chronic pain, you may feel more intense pain when coming off of it. This is because your body has gotten used to the drug doing most of the work to treat the pain and the natural endorphin production has significantly declined. In most cases it will take a good 30 days before your body’s natural endorphin levels start to rise again. Expect the pain to be more severe than prior to starting Suboxone during the withdrawal process.
  • Restlessness: Many individuals report that they experience restlessness when they first come off of this drug. Specifically reported is the fact that people have restless leg or twitching in their legs that is only relieved with movement.
  • Runny nose: When withdrawing you may experience an excessively runny nose. This is inevitable and is associated with the withdrawal process. Having a runny nose is not generally a debilitating symptom, but may be annoying in the early stages of withdrawal.
  • Sleepiness: For many people, the Suboxone contributed significantly towards everyday functioning and task performance. When you cut off the supply during withdrawal, your body is basically going to be left without any energy. You may experience excessive sleepiness as your body and mind attempt to heal.

Note: The amount of time Suboxone stays in your system following discontinuation is subject to significant variation among users. Due to its long half-life, it can take up to 10 days after complete cessation to fully excrete the drug; this could be why symptoms become most severe 1-2 weeks into withdrawal.

Suboxone withdrawal timeline: How long does it last?

The withdrawal process differs for everyone – I recommend giving it 90 days before re-evaluating symptoms. There are a number of physiological and environmental factors that will play a role in determining your success when coming off of this substance. You should always be working closely with a professional who knows what to expect and can guide you through the symptoms. Some people are able to withdraw within weeks, while for others the process takes months, and/or years for their body and brains to reset to homeostatic functioning.

By waiting 90 days (3 months), you will have likely recovered some, but most people suggest that this is the turning point – things should gradually keep improving from here. There is no set time period that universally applies to everyone for withdrawal. You may feel better by the 90 day marker, or you may still feel pretty crappy – keep in mind that everyone has a unique situation. It may take one person a full year to completely recover from withdrawal symptoms and it may take a different person just a few weeks or months.

During withdrawal from Suboxone it is highly recommended to engage in healthy activities. Take the time to get outside, get sunlight, exercise, stay busy throughout the day, and socialize with good friends and family. It is not going to be easy, but do your best to push yourself out of your comfort zone. For example, even if you feel extremely fatigued, try to go for a walk or go to the gym. Even if you don’t feel like working or talking to anyone, do it anyways. Try to stay as productive and healthy as you can during withdrawal – this will ensure quicker recovery.

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  • James June 17, 2014, 11:42 am

    Man this is the toughest thing to go threw period. I’m about 3 weeks into it and I feel like hurting myself. I have been threw a lot of stuff in my life but this takes the cake.

    • GLOOM June 25, 2014, 2:53 pm

      Hang in there James. Hope you are staying strong and have experienced some improvement.

      • Happy Now December 27, 2014, 12:43 am

        Hey James hang in there & everyone going through this experience. I was on suboxone for 10 yrs…age 21 to 31. Seriously felt like hell I don’t know how I had the strength to get through. I was convinced I had damaged myself for life and that was my new existence. It finally let up today, and I cleaned my entire apartment…something I couldn’t think about during the post acute. The Wd’s were hardcore for the first 30 days, but it’s the madness that ensues over the following 2 months that no one talks about. It can be done I’m off it. Please stick with it. I had to get a job go through a training course while WD’ing, you’re gonna feel shitty, mind over matter. You’ll survive.

        • Jason March 17, 2015, 2:50 am

          Thank you for that comment. I was on it for 3 years and am struggling to get off. I tapered off 3 months ago but have recently been taking a little here and there. I’m debating whether or not to just get back on it. I’ve been very irritable, depressed and tired. Sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy!

          • Blurryface December 9, 2016, 6:41 pm

            OMG, you have gone 3 months and are considering going back on it? That is crazy! Why would you even entertain that idea. DO NOT GIVE UP! You have gotten through the hardest part. You can do this! You are not going crazy. It’s a normal withdrawal symptom and will pass as they all will eventually.

        • Sherrie February 13, 2016, 4:53 am

          Hi I’ve been struggling with this lifeless existence now for 10 years also and feel like my life is shot and I have no hope. Doctors won’t help. I’ve been to 4 different ones begging for help getting off. I don’t know anyone who has gotten off this after so long or even who has been on it this long. How did you do it? How did you get off? I hope you see this and please reply I’m so desperate!

          • Justthisonce February 17, 2016, 12:13 am

            Find the right doctor.

          • taylor February 18, 2016, 11:33 pm

            Sherrie, I’ve been off of suboxone for 50 days today. I was on 32 mg for 3 years. I was desperate and was going to do the rapid detox for $8000. My doctor wouldn’t help me, so I did it on my own with support from people at church. Go to helpmegetoffdrugs[dot]com/taper (buprenorphine taper schedule). You put in your dose and it’ll calculate a taper schedule for you. I went down to a 64th of an 8mg strip or 0.13mg.

            It shows you how to cut it. I had a plan to take off of work and I made it. I prayed a lot and others prayed for me. I was not all that sick to be honest. I’m getting energy back and sleeping well. Only by the grace of God did I do this.

          • Louis February 28, 2016, 1:28 am

            Hello, I have been on it for 14 years and it saved my life. I was in debt $60,000 dollars 8 months late on rent and alone. I went to sub doctor and after that it slowly got better. I am married have a son and (not kidding) own three homes all to family rental income and run an internet business. I travel often and love life. I started on 16mg.

            Recently I started a tapper and down to 1.5mg. I feel good and hope to get off complete in next month. I dont understand why you call it lifeless existence? It saved me and now look forward to being drug free after building life on it. It taught me how to live and not surround myself with people places and things. they are all gone. Oh I also went back to college and finished my 4 years degree at Kean university.

            I had gone two years when younger but my drug habit stopped me. I have since graduated in 2013 with management science degree. I did not need my degree for work. (I am self employed) I did it for myself. Just wanted to show you it does not have to be lifeless. You may have other things going on you need to tend to? Just saying. Hope I helped.

          • Damiel July 3, 2016, 11:22 pm

            Wean yourself off. Even to a sixteenth at a time… Most doctors want you on it to get your money. Mine told me not to quit but I am. And can’t go back… Never.

          • Sagittarius4 February 27, 2017, 6:51 pm

            Hey Taylor – And I thought I was on a super low dose!! I’ve tapered only once prior and then started climbing again during grad school and internships… super busy and productive times… but today, I’m over 24 hrs without my .25 of 1mg OF a full 8mg strip!

            I’m in the midst of opening a business and kicking myself for not following through sooner. I feel “ok” for most part… some aches and pains, restlessness, irritable, low energy low motivation and it’s giving me a bit of anxiousness!! I pray this process goes smoothly as I truly believe it will!

            I have never, in my almost 3 years on, taken more than a full 8mg strip in one day… so my question is, do you think my WDs will be less severe? I’m praying, this is not the time for me to be sick!!

        • Sophie G October 15, 2016, 6:58 am

          I recently found out my husband has been on suboxone for years and he’s just now deciding to quit. Can you give me tips on how to be supportive and helpful during this time?

      • Joseph hewitt January 21, 2016, 12:18 am

        I’ve been on sub for a couple of months and I was taking only one 8 mg a day, but now I ran out. I’m trying to stop, but I feel like crap. How long will this last after only being on it for a couple months? I’ve been off for about 24 hours now and the symptoms are peaking and started to not peak anymore. Is that a good sign? Need advice for the mental side of this. Please!!!!

        • rick February 13, 2016, 2:22 pm

          Hey Joseph, My advice is taper. 8mg is way to high a dose to quit. I was on subs for about 6 or 7 years, I did no research on it just needed help quitting vics. Doctor did not know or did not care how addictive they are, anyway finally I tapered down to .25 mg per day until I decided to try to skip a day and after I made it I decided to try another day.

          (I still had 30 2 mg strips) which I would recommend that you have extras when You quit. It helped me mentally. This is day 13. I’m still not sleeping and motivation is very low, but every day gets a little better. From what I have read it will take a month for your brain to start to recover. You can do this!

          Since I got so low this time, the PAWS have not been as bad, but it’s still hard to get comfortable. Good luck. If You can Taper down and if You can’t, it WILL get better in time.

        • Ran May 6, 2016, 1:36 pm

          I was on it for 3 years and started tapering 5 months ago and my last day was Monday. Today, I feel much better. You have not been on it long, but you need to taper off this drug, so contact your doctor for a taper supply. Don’t use any other DRUGS!!! Good luck My Sub brother.

        • Zach July 10, 2016, 9:12 pm

          Hey joe, Just wanted to share with you this. I was on subs for 7 years and painkillers for 6 years prior, and finally had enough so I jumped off subs @ 8 mg cold turkey. The first week of WD’s are the worst. Week two is pretty rough too. Week 3&4 the physical symptoms slowly get better every day…

          I personally am at just over 5 weeks off and the PAWS or total lack of energy and joy and the not wanting to do much of anything are my only symptoms I have left. It’s extremely frustrating most days, but at least I’m alive and on my way to getting healthy. I haven’t given up and I’m not going to go back. No matter what!!

          You just have to make it through one day at a time no matter how bad you feel today. Just keep pushing on till tomorrow. Tell yourself that everyday. If you can kick opioids (lifesuckers!!) YOU can do anything!!

        • Donna Fusco August 9, 2016, 4:47 am

          I know how hard this can be. I am four days in. I have a pharmacist who treats me with bias over the meication. Actually after years on methadone, heroin, used properly. It’s been a game changer for me. It’s the, expense, stigma and hoops one most go through. I have used opiates or so long. I’m afraid of my body’s natural ability to rebuild the necessary amount?

        • Blurryface December 9, 2016, 6:57 pm

          I’m not sure what you mean when you say you “ran out”. Why doesn’t your doctor refill your script for you each month? That is usually how it works, unless you got it from someone else, in which case you just need to find a doctor in your area that prescribes Suboxone. He will wean you off gradually, which is whole lot less painful and intense than going cold turkey like I’m doing. The only reason I didn’t taper is because I disliked and distrusted my doctor. Feel free to email me for any reason if you like. Stay Strong! Stay Alive!

    • rebeka October 25, 2014, 12:25 pm

      A year? Or even 90 days of this crap seems impossible right now. I will say that’s the main reason I keep going back to it because I can’t function without kids /job. No time to lay around being sick my world may feel like it’s ending but everyone else keeps going so I think there needs to be some option to rapid detox or something. Wasting my life on this sh#t… wished I never took it.

      • Brittany November 15, 2014, 10:23 pm

        I completely agree! I feel like sh#t and I can’t move!

        • Sarah January 2, 2015, 4:53 pm

          Its been two weeks and I feel like hell!

          • geno May 14, 2016, 1:11 pm

            When did you start feeling better?

        • Jk December 6, 2015, 1:18 am

          I’ve tapered to taking 1/16 of an 8mg pill. So ½mg a day. Now I’ve found out I’m pregnant. I know the standard is to stay on it while pregnant, but i can never be sure when I’m sick from this crap or when there’s something else wrong with me. I thought maximum- this detox would be 2 weeks. I’m only 48 hours in from taking none. The thing is- I’ve felt sick for over 2 weeks – which probably is the detox from 2mg to .5mg still happening.

          I was only in it 6 months. I’ve give in subs like 6 times in my life though. I don’t know when the worst part is supposed to happen. I thought it’d be 3rd day. Is this not the case? I’m really scared after reading all this. I dunno what to do. My legs are killing me – I can’t take benzo’s cuz of the baby. WTF?! Anyone have any feedback on this?

          • Tj November 23, 2016, 2:51 am

            You can do this! You’re so lucky to not have been on subs long. Just keep tapering. Take 1/16th (so half of 1 mg sliver) a day, then skip a day, then take it again, and skip…. Keep tapering. For me, I tapered that dose, the every other day part for 6 days, then started skipping 2 days between 1/16 doses. I swear it’s still enough to make you feel it…

            I have achey legs and a piercing runny nose, chills, etc and I can feel the taper even just using .5 mg of it. I just in the last 2 days have tried .25 mg crumbs and tapered those too… Today is my last dose and I feel a little bit crappy, but nothing in comparison to how I felt the first days of withdrawal from heroin even with subs. Perspective is key.

            You’ll never feel as bad as you did when you first started. I am 48 days clean today, and I started using 8 mg the first day I got clean, and tapered 25% every 4 days. Sometimes I used a mg more if I felt horrible in the early weeks but I kept reminding myself that the first night of pure hell (withdrawing before I could start subs) was the apex of the pain and it all gets better from here.

            Just stick with it. Use crumbs, literally, crumbs of subs to stop your symptoms but use the tiniest amount possible. And reduce your total mg % every 4-5 days. It’s imperative to not use subs for more than 40-60 days, tops, or then you have a different addiction to deal with. I also suggest an antidepressant if your Dr will allow one during pregnancy. Wellbutrin ups dopamine which helps TONS.

      • Lana December 11, 2014, 8:56 am

        I’m so with you! I’m going insane!! I started suboxone 11/2012. Started at 2 mg four times a day. I suffer from anxiety, eating disorders & depression and have been on 80 mg Prozac and 20 mg Valium a day for 8 years. Suboxone increased my depression, I lack motivation, I was nauseous non stop, I gained weight. Only good side effect is I couldn’t drink alcohol because it made me sick for days. I lost all motivation and love for life. November 1, 2014 was my first day of no suboxone.

        I had chosen to wean down to 2 mgs every couple days for months. I was miserable and exhausted. I didn’t hit the peak of withdrawal symptoms until day 9. It’s December 11. I’m suicidal. I haven’t been out of bed. I need to get it together for my kids and husband. I’m a disgusting pathetic burden. I’m desperate to feel a reason to live. I’m now supplementing my days with cocaine to just keep up. Not to “party”, but to wake up and face the same sh*t and feel worthless while keeping a smile on my face to not damage the innocent I am indebted, bonded and culpable for. I will wait until the holidays and commit my self to a inpatient rehab / loony bin. I’m not sure where I belong.

        I have no faith in 12 step cult meetings. I need serious behavior modification. Obviously, I cannot run a home and kids and do this alone. I feel like I was robbed of life and lied to by the drs I trusted. I believe I was experimented on. I received more information in suboxone via Google than my ignorant drs. I’m an accidental addict, I’m a mentally sick person who was diagnosed with “fibromyalgia” and my cure were opiates.

        13 years later I was accused of being a drug addict and was taken off all my pain MEDS and sent home to feel the wrath of physical addiction, a hell I was ignorant about. I thought I was dying. I cannot function without chemicals. I hope I can make it out half the person I once was. My family deserves better than me… I need patience.

        • PstvSmtims February 23, 2015, 6:50 pm

          Just want to get through this, as do you. I was touched by your thoughts. I pray for all of us. Stress, anxiety, ice water through veins, chills. I am staying with my daughter. Her family is trying to help me. But God just just made the sun shine after a gloomy day.

          • emh January 11, 2016, 3:46 am

            My husband is coming off suboxone. How can I help? I don’t even know the same man that he used to be. This is so horrible for me to watch and deal with… His mood swings are out of control and he is nothing like he used to be. Please help me understand so I don’t walk away from 15 years with the man I love.

          • Caleb February 18, 2017, 8:17 am

            emh – I’m in your husbands position now, though my SO and I were only together for 10 yrs. I hid my opiate problem from her for a few years until things got out of hand and I confessed to her that I was dependent… still not sure if that was a good choice. She flipped out and involved all of my family and friends without consulting me, and then her dad decided to step in and start dictating terms… without my knowledge or input.

            I was totally for treatment, but nobody could seem to figure out how to find a doctor or clinic for methadone or suboxone, which is what I really needed to get through. So she and her dad searched the house with me in tow, demanding I turn over any drugs. That was humiliating. I had no choice but cold turkey after they forbade me from any medication that would help.

            So day five I was still writhing in bed in complete agony… I begged her to let me buy some opiates that she could dispense to me for a taper regimen. Nope. I couldn’t even get up to shower let alone find a clinic, so I went and bought some prescription opiates from my guy while she was working. Two vicodin and I was up and moving again, clean, showered, and scoured the area for clinics.

            I found a methadone clinic and went on that drug legitimately. I had committed myself to a policy of truth, so I told her what I did. When she got home she informed me that she met with her dad and they decided to kick me out of our house. She left me shortly after. I was devastated, miserable, angry, felt betrayed and tossed out like trash.

            Listen to him and include him in decisions, and don’t give ultimatums based on Yahoo Answers like my father in law did. Help him manage a suboxone taper down if you can, and be understanding that he might mess up–just try to make sure that he is moving forward. If his withdrawals have him bedridden you can help keep him cool or warm with plenty of space to move around. Spooning was awful for me… if you’ve ever experienced claustrophobia it is a lot like opiate withdrawals, so loose sheets and blankets and room to stretch.

            Ice water, vitamins, hot showers, and if you have ativan or similar benzos for anxiety they are good for that crazy claustrophobic restlessness (just make sure not to overdo it, benzos are addictive). Good luck!

            P.S. I know what you mean by him being a totally different man. It took me until I got to a low suboxone dose to start to look back at how shitty of a person I became while enslaved to opiates. He might still be in there somewhere, but that will take him seeing how he’s changed over the years and him wanting to change back to that human being you fell in love with. Patience.

        • Leigh June 20, 2015, 3:57 am

          Maybe shouldn’t judge NA meetings, since they are currently doing better than you by NOT using drugs to cope. Just a thought. I used oxycodone and then subs for years. Those cult meetings are saving my life.

          • Blake blazer August 18, 2015, 3:31 pm

            Rehab did wonders for me, it’s not a loony bin it sounds like it’s where you belong. I just got out of a great one in FL and a ton of people were there for suboxone dependency. They had me on suboxone for a month for my heroin addiction but I’m getting off here soon. I don’t believe suboxone should be used the way doctors use it. I think it’s great for a 5 day detox and then it’s time to stop.

        • Bri November 7, 2015, 7:39 pm

          I know this post was 3 years ago, but I stumbled upon this site due to wanting to get off suboxone. I have had 15 hand surgeries (I almost cut off my pinkie and ring finger in my dominate right hand) and was on Percocet for 2 years, until I started noticing myself take more than I needed and expressed my concern to my doctor, he lowered it to Vicodin, not knowing I experienced withdrawal symptoms but thought the Vicodin was just making me sick, so my doctor put me on 10mg norcos for 7 years (15 surgeries in 6 years, do the math)…

          Then one day his nurse called my name for my biweekly appointment and explained she would not prescribe me anymore norcos because she felt the length I was on them, I was addicted and referred me to “pain management”. I’m in nursing school and can not have that on my record, so I told her that wasn’t necessary and I’m not addicted (even tho I got 90 every two weeks and still bought norcos off the street due to my tolerance). I continued to but norcos for about a year after (total of 8 years now on pain killers), when I heard of suboxone.

          I was hesitant at first because I was scared it wouldn’t work (or I didn’t want to believe it would), so I started buying suboxone on the street ($10 for a 8mg strip), I have now been buying suboxone on the street for 3 years (total of 11 years combined with pain killers). I only take about 1mg a day but I’ve tried stopping and it’s unbearable! Reading your story tho has made me want to try again! I hope you realize you’re not alone in this and myself and I know many of others feel and think the same as you!

          Please don’t give up! It’s the drug. You say you suffer from depression and other factors, so the situation is different, but know you’re not alone and this isn’t your fault! I’ve never written on a forum but I’m hoping you somehow read this message and I hope you’ve beat this demon of an addiction! Thank you to not only you but everyone that has shared on here! It’s given me hope! The withdrawals may last a very long time, but once they are over life and time truly begins!

          To me that’s worth the wait and pain. The pain should remind us all of what we’ve overcome and hopefully can make a difference in others! My step dad is a pharmacist and I told him about what the pills and subs do and he truly had no idea and now practices in a totally different way and listens to his patients without judgment and with confidentiality! Many doctors and pharmacists truly don’t know the damage they’re causing (sound naive but it’s the sad truth)!

          I promise I will finish nursing school and then my PhD and I will make a difference in every one of my patients and stop their addiction before it starts! Good luck everyone!

        • Josh December 3, 2015, 9:13 pm

          I’ve been on suboxone for 4 years after a 4 year oxycodone addiction. I have been on 5 to 7 mg a day for the 4 years. Today I am beginning a 7 day taper. Starting from 4 mg per day going down to 1 mg per day. I hope this will work to alleviate some of the severity. Please do let me know if you have any input on this I am nervous, thank you!!

          • Jk December 6, 2015, 1:25 am

            I’m pretty sure that doesn’t even count as a taper. Seriously, everything after 2mg is the worst. I’ve quit cold turkey before and I tried the raise this time. I spent 4 weeks going from 2mg to ½mg. I’ve felt horrible every day since I dropped to the ½mg. I have a low tolerance to pain – and I’d never discourage coming off of it, but if you’ve been on this for a significant amount of time – dropping even 1/2mg per day is rapid.

          • Victoria Fay December 29, 2015, 6:10 pm

            This is for Josh… I did a 2 1/2 MONTHS taper as was afraid to do it too quickly, and took last dose 12/10/15. And still today, I am living a “HELL”… sorry to say, but it’s the truth. Hope you are having better luck than me. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life. And I am a 61 y.o. woman who has “kicked a lot of habits”.

            The fatigue, malaise, sleeplessness, the mania, wanting to kill everybody and everything in my path… it’s been a nightmare. I NEVER imagined after almost 3 weeks I’d feel like this. Absolutely the WORST and most horrible way I’ve felt. I’ve been doing B-12 shots, taking Clonidine for w/d and elevated B/P (just since this w/d) and Lomotil because Imodium was useless!! Good luck man!

          • Nicole May 12, 2016, 10:08 pm

            Hi Josh, I know your comment is old but I wanted to see how things went for you and your 7 day taper and where you are currently with that? I am in the same exact situation as you were with the same amount of time and have been thinking about doing the taper as well. Hope everything worked out for you and hope you hear your journey of how it went. Thanks.

          • Tj November 23, 2016, 3:00 am

            That’s WAY too fast. Tapering must be no faster than 25% reduction every 4 days. Tweak that to your body and you’ll be able to taper,and function. Too fast and you’ll suffer, and perhaps have PAWS. Post acute withdrawal symptoms… That last a long time. I’ve tapered from 8 mg to .25 mg in 48 days and I’m doing ok. Last dose is today…. I still can feel the withdrawal symptoms but they’re small in severity and tolerable. Good luck. I say this from reading others taper scheduled and my own current experience. Tomorrow I’ll be opiate free.

        • GG October 19, 2016, 12:27 am

          Your words echo my experience… to a T.

      • Christina49 December 9, 2015, 10:47 am

        This is so right on the money!! When it comes to parents, especially single parents like myself…you don’t get to just detox, lay down, take baths, etc. – I have to be able to function and take care of my children and home!! I JUST started taking subutex, and was wondering how long I should take the suboxone next…sounds like it’s not something I want to take a long period of time, less then a month, if I take it at all!!! I don’t want to trade one addiction for another!!

        • Joe0123 January 12, 2016, 7:57 pm

          Sorry to say but subutex and suboxone are practically and well, literally identical physiologically. The naloxone in the suboxone is a complete sham meant to deter people from injecting it or whatever they cooked up to grant the FDA’s approval. Naloxone does not have a high enough binding affinity to knock buprenorphine off your receptors, particularly at a 1:4 ratio regardless of route of administration.

          It’s the bupe that puts people into precipitated WD because it’s a partial agonist. It’s sticky, lasts forever in your system and you keep telling yourself it’s the worst withdrawal ever, but come on… Be honest with yourself, you remember the WORST, and this is just longer. The only advice I could give to anyone is if you are on over 8mg a day you can very easily reduce that to around 8mg a day within a week and feel very little discomfort.

          Wean 1mg a month and get down to 0.5 and go until you cant take it anymore, be honest with yourself, literally just can’t take it anymore, and then take 0.25mg, yeah 1/32 of a 8mg strip. Do that “unbearable” routine until you force yourself to skip a day, then if you must go back 0.25, skip another day then force yourself to skip 2. This is by far the easiest way. And by that I mean you still are going to think it’s the worst thing ever after day 4, but none of this waiting 15 days for it to peak stuff.

          You’ll turn around after about 7-10 days and gradually return to life in the following months. I know way more than I would ever care to admit publicly about this stuff and have spent countless hours researching and studying experiences while feeling sick like most of us are. And that’s what I’ve learned over hundreds of hours. Go lookup robert_325 and all those posts, I forget what website it was, but that is about as much help as you are going to get online without live chat with an expert or something. Good luck.

          • Eliza2445 February 2, 2016, 12:31 am

            Thank you – all of you, especially Joe0123. I feel much more sane after seeing so many of you fighting this battle that I am so weary of! I went into treatment Nov 25, 2015 after being prescribed oxycodone for chronic neuropathy for over a year. (Turns out my neuropathy was chronic withdrawals all along!). Forty-eight hours after the oxycodone was stopped I developed fulminant withdrawals.

            I was prescribed Suboxone 8 mg initially then 4 mg twice a day. I am now on 0.06 mg (1/16th of a 2mg buprenorphine/0.5 naloxone film) once a day. About 2 weeks ago I stopped taking it and was very disappointed as I spent 72 hours awake feeling like Joan of Arc being burned at the stake. My whole body felt like it was burning and the sensation moved around in intensity.

            On the last day, my grand baby was born and I decided to start taking the micro dose of Suboxone again. I plan to stop it again in a month when the baby excitement and activity has slowed down. I was dumbfounded that I had such intense withdrawal symptoms from such a tiny dose of the buprenorphine. Just FYI – To treat the other symptoms of withdrawal, I am on: Mirapex for RLS, Clonidine for sweating, hot flashes and elevated blood pressure, buspirone for anxiety, Cymbalta for depression, melatonin at bedtime for sleep.

            These are all working quite well. I am blown away with how long and difficult the Suboxone withdrawal is and has been. I am under the care of an addictionologist and it seems they have little or no information about how to get off of Suboxone. Such a crazy situation that there is no data on and into which these is NO research.

            Quite the “black eye” for a field that is supposed to be helping people recover from drug use problems and they have no idea that this “treatment” is nigh on impossible to escape. I am so encouraged that each of you are strong and enduring this misery to get yourself off of this one last drug. God speed!

          • rick February 13, 2016, 2:48 pm

            Joe0123 I could not agree with you more! Tapering was the only way I could quit.

          • David O. May 12, 2016, 12:14 am

            I to agree with 0123, which I’ve done before also. Or hate to say it, start back on low doses of opiates for 2-3 months, then go back on subs for 3-5 days, taking no more than a quarter of a strip 2 times a day for first 2 days. Then cut a quarter of a strip in half and do that for 2-3 days then stop like a normal detox. I’ve been on subs 10 years on and off. Worked for me.

          • MU123 August 21, 2016, 10:52 am

            Just inquiring. Does insomnia last 2-3 months coming of suboxone Joe?

        • Pop February 23, 2016, 1:34 am

          I’ve been playing with heroin off and on the last forty plus years. In the last year I’ve been doing heroin for four to six days a week. Then take sub for four or five days. I’m on my third day with nothing and my legs are killing me. Just like a heroin withdrawal. Need help!!!

        • Damiel July 3, 2016, 11:39 pm

          Amen… I wish I never took it either.

      • ChristIsKing May 25, 2016, 9:47 pm

        Oh my goodness. Try Kratom. It works. I am on day 5 of my withdrawal. I jumped off at 1mg and I have been using a natural plant called kratom. I have been able to take care of my family and go to work. Worst symptoms I have had is restless legs which Benadryl helps and insomnia which Benadryl also helps.

        Kratom will take away the runs, aches, anxiety and depression. It lowers blood pressure. It can give you energy in low doses and help to relax in higher doses. It’s a miracle plant for anyone stopping opiates especially subs or methadone/heroin. As long as you control your intake, you won’t become addicted to the herb.

        It works like suboxone. The alkaloids in the herb bind to the mu-receptors in the brain. Anyway I am 5 days clean off sub and feel great. It’s also a mood booster so you will feel optimistic about quitting opiates.

        • HopingforLife July 18, 2016, 7:52 pm

          ChristIsKing very curious how you did using kratom to quit? I am six years on sub, mostly at 2mgs a day and on July 14 I took about 1.5 mgs. After about 48 hours I took kratom around 11 pm and did not sleep much but was comfortable. I’ve taken a dose each of the last two days. It seems stepping off cold turkey from 2mgs was unwise. My withdrawal symptoms have increased daily and I expect they will continue to do so for about another week.

          They have not been unbearable. I simply must decline to fear the longer term issues that I recognize must come. I am tired of this netherworld existence on sub, though it did allow me to stabilize my life, saving my marriage and family. I am convinced I will never realize my dreams unless I end my dependence on drugs like sub.

          I am curious as to whether using kratom worked. I am afraid to use it more than three or four days in a row for fear of becoming addicted or dependent upon it. This means that tomorrow I will have to survive without it, and so be it. It appears to alleviate WD symptoms for about 12 hours.

          A last comment is that I have read some of the anger people have expressed at the medical community for allowing addicts like ourselves to stay on sub for years without good knowledge about how to get off of it. I don’t think this is well taken. We put ourselves in these situations, and the doctors are just doing the best they can with a problem that only God truly has power over.

          At 4 days I’m barely getting on this journey but I decided not to go in for an appointment to get more this morning so I am going to at least learn more about what it takes. I will not stop trying until I succeed in freeing myself from this slavery and can truly be there for the ones I love.

          • Mase July 22, 2016, 2:20 am

            HopingforLife, I too used Kratom to get through Suboxone W/D. My wife and I were on suboxone for 5 years, 16mg/day. We both tapered down, to approx 1-2mg a day or every other day before quitting. I had NO idea how bad this was going to be. Two weeks after stopping, I started a new job. I made it to my first day but my anxiety and tiredness were overwhelming.

            My wife read about Kratom and I immediately went to find Kratom that evening. 2nd day on the job after taking Kratom I can honestly say I felt like a new man. I did overuse Kratom and stayed on it daily for about 6 months after stopping suboxone. When I decided to Kratom, I had one day with very mild W/D symptoms, second day of being a little tired, day 3 I was totally fine.

            Again, I didn’t start Kratom until 2 weeks into my W/D. I wish I had known about it before. It saved my marriage and my job. Most importantly, it got me totally off suboxone. Good luck, I hope you are doing well.

      • Blurryface December 9, 2016, 7:03 pm

        What if you had Cancer? This is no different. The best thing you can do for your children is take care of their mother. Living on Suboxone isn’t living. If money is not a problem, there is a rapid detox that runs $8000 or so. Google it. I wish you luck🍀

    • kris November 22, 2014, 10:35 am

      Dude…My doc won’t refill my prescription. So I am sitting here, restless, irritable, mood swings, feeling like I am going to f*****g snap!!! Horrible. The worst thing for me right now is, trying to sleep. Trying to sleep with these horrific leg twitches, the constant “having” to move. It all sucks man, I wish I had some PM meds… something.

      • Nic December 1, 2014, 2:53 pm

        For those suffering the restless legs… Walmart sells an over the counter medication just for restless legs, and it really works! Only a couple of hours at a time but that’s 100% better than the overnight battles I have had with RLS and it doesn’t ‘drug’ you! Just put 2 under your tongue and let them dissolve and if you wake in the night with twitching, put 2 more under your tongue, I go right back to sleep with the pills still under my tongue most times. “Hyland’s Restful Legs”

        • Melissa December 3, 2014, 5:07 pm

          I have been taking that as well as the restful legs PM. And yeah, it doesn’t work.

          • Amanda July 22, 2015, 9:52 pm

            The Hyland’s restless legs doesn’t work at all. I took it for a week with no relief.

      • Lana December 11, 2014, 9:00 am

        Imodium AD 5 pills 6 times a day, 75 mg Benadryl, ibuprofen. TV. Those helped me a bit. Cut down slowly on Imodium – 4 pills 5 x day week three- or you will be constipated horribly. Imodium somehow helps with WD syptoms and tummy issues. Benzos help

        • Kimberly July 28, 2015, 1:03 pm

          So then you just get addicted to benzos and then go through symptoms of that. I can promise you, coming off of benzos is WAY worse than coming off suboxone. Been there, done that. You should never encourage an addict to take benzos.

      • Christina December 9, 2015, 10:58 am

        Try asking your doctor for Clonidine for the RLS symptoms, an anxiety med if your taper dose of sub is low enough to not have an adverse interaction with a benzo, and try 10mg melatonin for sleep – it’s a natural, non-habit forming sleep aid that works great!!! Withdrawals are the absolute worst feeling I’ve ever had, it’s so hard to stick with it, but if you do you will be so grateful that you did!!! Good luck!

      • C- lo November 27, 2016, 6:16 pm

        Bro bottom line, for all of us. You’re going to suffer coming off. Taper or no taper you going to suffer. It’s not as bad as heroin or methadone, acute pain and all that but it’s still bad. You going to feel the same exact sh-t but maybe a little bearable, maybe. You’ll need a solid month of down time. You wont be able to look at the sun without your eyes and sinuses shrieking at you to stop.

        You’re going to feel like an open wound after the first 15 days of kickin and rollin in the bed, for a while. Weak painful legs, your back and body going to feel raw. Pains everywhere, adrenal fatigue all that good sh-t. But guess what? You have temporary brain damage so its okay. And it gets better and you will be ur old self again! If were forced to, or make up our minds to stop takin this sh-t, then let’s not be wussies.

        To those who haven’t the luxury of takin down time, taper, slowly. And final advice would be, don’t frustrate urself with symptoms or symptom duration and sh-t like that. Just breathe, stay alive, beat your meat, sneeze, sweat, embrace the clamminess, the blurred vision, embrace it all, for it is not you or what you’ve become, it’s temporary, and let ur brain do its thing.

        You’ll get well and thank god you will, not many can say that. Peace to all. Once you’ve gone thru benzo brain damage all this becomes simple, the brain and body are an unbelievable healing machine wen not burdened with disease. Its just a matter of time. And congrats to those who decided “eff” this I’m going to do it – and did. Much respect. And much more that did with no down time or support.

    • Heather October 29, 2015, 3:33 am

      Hang in there. Every hour you make it through is an hour you’ll never have to go through again. Please don’t hurt yourself. It may not seem that way right now, but it will get better. Someday you will look back and know the adversity you faced and conquered to beat this drug. And hopefully have the chance to pay it forward by lending your support and experience to someone going through the same Hell you did.

    • chris November 2, 2015, 2:23 am

      James – My name is Chris I just noticed this was in 2014. I hope you’re still with us fighting the good fight.

    • Ella Marie November 8, 2015, 11:57 am

      Hang in there. Thoughts are with you. No two people are alike, ergo… This withdrawal is a beast of epic proportions. Did you taper or jump? Stay on path, you will meet the YOU that used to feel good without these nightmare drugs, the YOU that can smile and wake up happy. I’m currently battling week 2 and yes, this is a whole new demon.

    • Wendy February 7, 2016, 2:56 am

      Hi James, Are you tapering or are you cold turkeying? I hope you feel better super soon.

    • johnny February 16, 2016, 8:57 pm

      I am around 4 months and still sneeze and ache.

    • Jim March 12, 2016, 10:20 pm

      I’m on day 21 and the worst thing is no sleep for me… little aches and pains here and there especially in the knees at night. I find a hot bath to help a lot a couple hrs before trying to go to sleep. Sneezing is continously but only after 3 PM weird. During the day stay as busy as possible I know that it may feel like you have no energy, but if you fight through it, I promise it will help you forget and even take your mind off your circumstances… and most of all give yourself a pat on the back. The hardest part is done. You’ve made it 3 weeks… time to reap the benefits of your struggles. #staygood

    • amanda April 19, 2016, 10:28 pm

      I’m at about the same mark and I’m feeling the same way! This is the hardest thing I’ve ever dealt with!

    • Diana July 13, 2016, 3:34 pm

      I’m gonna put this mildly… I’m in day 8 of no subs. My lovely doc wrote them for me for SEVEN…. YES 7 YEARS. I’M IN FULL BLOWN HELL!! Any advice?!! I’m just now feeling like this. No one understands around me. They think I can just shake it off. Well I CAN’T. PLEASE someone give me a rope!!

    • Joshua December 21, 2016, 9:15 pm

      Hang in there James. I’m on 50 days and I’m feeling 90% it’s a mental thing. Everyday is going to get better trust me. The only thing left in my way is a little fatigue here and there and some pain in my joints. Mostly legs. But I feel better and I know my family has seen a difference. It will all be worth it.

      Just remember the second stage is the hardest which I believe you are in if you are 3 weeks in. Depression, anxiety and so on. It makes you feel like there has to be more to life then feeling like this. But it only keeps getting better. You can do it! It’s not easy but think about the outcome! God bless.

  • Colleen Pearson June 24, 2014, 8:55 pm

    90 days?! Wtf?!?! I’m only on day twelve and I feel like it’s getting worse instead of better! Is there any hope of feeling good? Ever???

    • GLOOM June 25, 2014, 2:53 pm

      This is just a general rule of thumb Colleen. You may improve quicker than 90 days depending on how gradually you tapered and how sensitive you are to withdrawals. Best of luck.

    • Laura Mager June 21, 2016, 12:12 am

      Colleen, you’re too far to turn back now. I’m on day 22 and today felt like day four, but yesterday I felt fine. It’s a month of hell, but it starts getting easier for you in about five more days.

    • D September 8, 2016, 11:32 pm

      Hang in there. 90 days is an extreme! I regret to say that I have come off of subs 3 times now over the last 12 years (2 times under supervision of a doc) I tapered each time but this is the first time doing it with my Dr. First 2 times I just cut it down myself (QUICKLY) this time cold turkey.

      I’m on day 3 and yes I am going through severe w/d however; by using remedies like the ones people mention (especially Kratom) I have been able to feel much better and even function at work. The worst thing you can do is look at someone else’s extreme case and apply it to your own. That is mentally setting yourself up for failure. Anyhow just my advise because it pains me to know that ANYONE else is suffering this fate.

      I will be praying for all of us.

  • Giovanni June 30, 2014, 9:41 pm

    I took 5 30mg percs for 2 months str8 and then jumped on H for a couple weeks where I realized I had to stop b4 it got worse .. Had two days of pain coming off the H and then jumped on just 2mg for a week of subs and then the passed week just 1 mg and then I skipped a day and took .25mg now it’s been about 50 hours since my last dose of .25mg… Thought out this process of subs I’ve been feeling slight mood swings , fatigue and RSL . Last night I had trouble sleeping until I took half a Xanax … What am I expecting now? May someone please help me and answer these ?s .. THANK YOU

    • amanda April 16, 2015, 8:48 pm

      Hi Giovanni, I took my last suboxone a week ago. I cut an 8 mg strip into about 10 pieces. I still feel a little bad, but taking Super B Complex, Valerian root and taking Tylenol for the back ache is really helping. Also drinking some sleepy time tea (Bigelow’s sleepy time tea). It does not take away all the symptoms but helps dramatically. Also drink a lot of water not soda or coffee. This will help flush out your system. If you have diarrhea get some Imodium. Just try to treat each symptom… your pharmacist can help with what to get. Just hang in there.

      • Dale April 29, 2015, 4:03 pm

        The first week seems the easiest. You think, “this is not so bad”. About day 7 or 8 you start to lose all energy, moods turn very ugly (depressed, irritable). I am on day 9 and feel worse that any previous day. My regiment was 3years of oxy – Norco in large amounts following neck reconstruction surgery, very painful. Oct started on sub 30mg across 24H and tapered every week – ten days by about 1/5.

        The taper from 1mg to 0.25mg took a month or more. Then I took the leap 8 days ago. Last night I was up from 2- 4 with bad RLS and had planned to return to work today but did not. Mornings are starting to feel better but as day progresses I fade and nights are worst. Hang in there all and whatever you do do not give in to the temp to take little slices of sub to feel better as you will simply extend your ultimate misery.

        • Diane October 26, 2015, 8:37 pm

          I’ve been on sub. for 15 months now. Getting off 3 years of prescription addiction (oxys, morphine, fentanyl, oxymorphcotin) just any kind of pain med I could get my hands on. Started with 8mgs/day of sub. Now I’m down to 0.5mg day so I figured, I can stop now; no problem. The first 5 days were fine, very mild withdrawals, headache, diarrhea, irritability.

          Then on day 6 WHAM it all hit me at once! WTF! I thought withdrawals get better with time, not worse. It’s so hard to try and keep sane. I work and can’t call in sick so it’s even that much more difficult trying to cope. I don’t think I can do a year before getting back to my old self… I really don’t.

    • Kimberly July 28, 2015, 1:06 pm

      You should NOT take xanax. Coming off of a benzo is way worse than suboxone and dangerous. Just saying. I would know. I’ve been there. I took oxys and xanax. You should never cover up a withdrawal with another controlled substance.

      • Jesse June 3, 2016, 1:06 am

        I’m not advocating use of benzos by any means, but maybe your experience was unique to you. I know multiple people who have completely tapered off xanax. Only know 1 other person who’s gotten off subs.

  • Joe June 30, 2014, 9:48 pm

    I was on subs 16 mg daily for ten years,my last dose after taper was 1mg on 10-05-13. As of today i am still feeling paws,or mild wd. I can tell you that on the very few occassions that i had taken anything during this period(neurontin,clonidine,or even chantix) it does surely prolong wd ,or paws from subs.That,s me though,may not be with someone else.It is a long road to get of sub,but feeling much better off same,no doubt about it.

  • Justin July 14, 2014, 12:50 pm

    I’m on day 6 of 2mg sub wd I took it for one year. I’m starting to feel a little better just some mild depression and discomfort. I took a month off of work to recover. If your just starting to wd DO NOT psych yourself out, yes the first few days are tough but everyone is different so just because one person suffers for 90 days does not mean you will the most important thing is to take great care of yourself which for drug addicts like our selves is a new concept lol. Drink lots of water, take a multi vitamin, glucosamine for joint pain, B complex vitamin for your nervous system and energy, and most importantly get outside and walk. No one should have to be a prisoner to Suboxone it’s not impossible to overcome. I’m not out of the woods yet but I do know no matter how tough PAWS might be in the upcoming weeks I will never give up the fight to be completely clean and sober.

    • GLOOM July 14, 2014, 2:12 pm

      Thanks for sharing your experience and advice Justin. I totally agree that it is important to avoid psyching yourself out (e.g. being a hypochondriac over the symptoms). It’s good to have a general idea of what to expect, but don’t assume worst case scenario – everyone will have a different experience. Good luck with your withdrawal.

      • shelly October 3, 2014, 4:50 am

        I was on opiates for 12 years. Took 12 mg suboxone film for 18 months now. Have done great. I never needed “extra” subs to do the same job like opiate pills. I moved from OK to OR. Just found a Dr. for my subs but have been without for 3 weeks now. The first 5 days I was FINE. I thought I was home free and didnt need it any more. Boy was I wrong. I think I feel worse every day. WHEN DOES IT END…HELP!!!!!

        • rikaros February 4, 2016, 5:17 am

          I was on methadone from 1999 to 2005, then switched to suboxone. I slowly tapered and stopped taking them in October 2015. It’s February 2016 and I still have withdrawal symptoms. Diarrhea, extreme fatigue, trouble staying asleep, and restless arms/legs.

          Seriously, when does this stop? I keep saying just one more day but I’m losing the tiny amount of strength I have left to keep going any more days. I’m scared I’m doomed to jump the flaming hoops of treatment forever! I just want to feel a little bit better.

    • Tj November 23, 2016, 3:07 am

      You hit the nail on the head. Care for your body. Take supplements. And fight for your sobriety! We must learn to live with discomfort at times without falling back on drugs to mask it. Sometimes it sucks, but that’s life, and my view is, 90 days will pass anyway. A year will pass anyway. If I can muddle through, I’m still winning. You’re awesome Justin. :-)

  • David July 22, 2014, 10:43 am

    Hi everyone ,thanx to you all . iv been sitting here reading comments for a couple of hours . i used heroin for 20 years pretty hard call . iv been on suboxone for 8 years now i started on 16 mg for a few years ,then tried reducing over the last couple of years iv been very diciplined and havnt used alot od other drugs in this time not perfect though . im a bit fucking scattered at the moment . iv tapered down to about 3mg for a couple of weeks then cuting bits of my film over a few weeks and having the small bit god only no s how much , not much i dont think i then had three days with nil . first day ok second day well far out man third day ok but that night last night was so hard core shit , at three am i had to have about 1.5 mg i was in so much pain it was intense my chest legs arms were reacting crazzy it actualy hurt . iv got through the day ok . i dont want to take any tonight i gota be strong do any of you no if using a small amount during that intense period takes you back far with w/d ?? im a bit anxious and very tied bless you guys thanx from Australia werever you arer xxx

    • vlm August 10, 2014, 6:53 pm

      My doc prescribes 20mg of suboxone a day. I think that’s a crazy amount (too much). I used opiates for a year with heroin for 6 months. I’m only 21 years old and live so close to Detroit (where it’s so cheap). Regardless, my doc says I’m on 20mg for a good six months. I’m trying to come off it myself. I haven’t had anything in 24 hours and I feel a bit off. and my heart keeps beating rapidly. But I have an EXTREME urge to use. Man this wasn’t worth it at all.

      • Kat S. August 29, 2014, 10:16 pm

        That doctor is f*cking STUPID. You need to start a taper and get off that sh*t NOW. I was a heavy H user for almost 3 years. I did only a 5 day detox on Suboxone. Started with 8mg, than 4mgx a day, than 2mgx…so on. And a month later I STILL get a sweat and a chill here and there. That doctor is a corrupt f*ck who is using your addiction to get paid. There is absolutely NO reason you, or most people, should be taking that much when you’ve only been using for a year. No way. The less of that sh*t you take the better. You should only take it when you detox off the H and then stop.

        • Kori April 12, 2015, 10:06 pm

          I agree! It’s crazy to read about these people whose doctors have prescribed subs for 4 years, 8 years, 10 years! It’s not meant to be used like that! My doc had me on it for 4 years & every time I asked to start to taper & work to get off of them, he’d up my dosage. He got an easy paycheck for my maintenance and subsequent “new” addiction. I started subs four years ago at 24mg/day (three 8mg/strips a day) after an 8 month vike addiction.

          Four years later, I worked with my family doctor to help me wean down on my subs. I went down from 28 to 16, then 8 and felt fine (I don’t think I ever needed such a high dosage to begin with). Eventually I was down to a 2mg strip a day. My doctor had me alternate, 2mg one day & 1mg the next day. I did that for two weeks and then went down to 1mg a day and alternated between 1mg & 1/2 mg until I was down to 1/2mg a day for two weeks.

          I took my last 1/2 mg sub 6 days ago & I still feel pretty shitty. Mostly my muscles ache. I find it hard to walk, go up the stairs, or move much at all. My body feels as though someone has filled it with lead. Hot baths helped me through most of the chills and at this point I haven’t had them for a couple of days but don’t trust they won’t come back. It’s torturous & I blame my doctor’s irresponsibility for my pain and withdrawals. Docs who prescribe this stuff irresponsibly should be reported to the medical board!

          • Tj November 23, 2016, 3:10 am

            Agreed!! No one should take more than 8 mg a day, and that should be for heavy H users. Doctors are ruining people’s lives with these super high, prolonged doses! I quit s 5 year pill and heroin habit using 8 mg and tapering 25% every 4 days. No one should be on subs for more than 6 weeks or so, max.

      • Oneil March 1, 2015, 11:51 pm

        I was prescribed 16 mg a day of subs for taking 6 vicodin a day for years for pain. I ran out of my vicodin early and was put on 16 mg of sub. I could never take more than 4 mg a day of subs because it would make me very ill. I decided to quit cold turkey two months ago. I had taken the subs every day for two and a half years. The withdrawal was pretty terrible for the first month. I have never sweated more in my life. I slept very little.

        I did do a ton of research on subs and have found out that the company that makes it has not been honest with the doctors who prescribe it. First of all, subs have a very long half life. Subs also have a stacking effect in your body. Here is the real kicker, this pissed me off so much. Suboxone has a ceiling effect of 4 mg. This means that 4 mg of subs in your body covers all of your receptors in your brain. It makes no sense to take any more than this. The staking effect and long half life mean that if you take 1 mg a day for a week, you will have a constant level of about 4 mg of subs in your system at all times.

        4 mg a day should be the maximum dose. Patients with chronic pain are given Bupe in a pain patch of .25 mg a day. If this tiny amount works for major pain, this is a very potent drug. So much excess opiates in the body cause your brain to create new receptor sites for all the excess opiates. This is why the brain and body go haywire when stopping opiates. Suboxone changes the chemistry of your body. It is such a terrible drug and I still do not feel right after 2 months off it.

        I feel like I don’t even know who I am anymore. The confusion, depression, anxiety, mood swings, anger, lack of motivation, etc. – it sucks. We have all been taken advantage of to line the pockets of big pharma. The only good advice I’ve heard is to switch back to a short acting opiate such as vicodin or percocet for a few months and then stop those. They wont get you high after subs and it will be much easier on the body and mind. A pharmacist told me this. Good luck to all!

        • Kevin March 23, 2015, 9:38 pm

          I just wanted to say that that is what I’m doing (your last comment). I’ve been taking Percocet and Vicodin for 21 days now so I won’t go through the Suboxone withdrawal. I took Subs for 2 1/2 years, at 6 mg/day (but the doc prescribed 24 mg/day – they don’t give a sh#t about their patients). But I’m planning on today or tomorrow being my last day of pain pills, and I will take Suboxone for three days to stop the pain pill withdrawal, and then be done for good. I really hope three weeks of no Suboxone will be enough. But reading these comments is really scaring me.

          • Elizabeth April 7, 2015, 12:19 am

            Kevin I started my withdrawals 9 days ago. I am better, but not much. First day I had diarrhea and vomiting but now I have extremely bad leg pain. But it might take a little longer then 3 days for you to completely withdraw. I am with you – these darn docs don’t know what they are talking about. My son is a nurse and he told me to call a pharmacist that they are the only ones that know the truth and tell you how long it might take you to withdraw. Please let me know how you are doing maybe we can get through this together.

          • itsDamiel July 3, 2016, 11:46 pm

            Its easier to quit pills then subs. Trust me. Don’t take subs… Never especially if you never have. It’s very hard. Been off the for 6 days. And just now getting over the uncomfortableness. It’s straight poison…

        • Tj November 23, 2016, 3:14 am

          You’re amazing. Thanks for this. The cumulative effect of subs and longgg half life is something people don’t get, then they suffer from withdrawing from it. You really have to do some math on your personal taper schedule. I’m 48 days clean, with my last .15th mg dose today. Now I’m done. My withdrawal symptoms are minimal. Good luck to all.

    • Danielle October 26, 2014, 3:35 am

      Hi, David. I’m in Australia too. I have been tapering down fairly quickly from 28mg sub film. I had been on this high dose for a couple of years and it is killing me! I wondered how you are going now? I’m down to about 4mg a day and have self tapered (I know, I know) over the past couple of months. In Victoria. Hope you’re managing. :)

  • lydia July 26, 2014, 12:59 am

    I’ve been on 30mg methodone for almost 3 years. Started with 10mg of suboxone for a week and then tapered off. Probable 14 8 mg subs total. In 3 weeks. I’m on day two without subs. Does anyone know how long til ill feel better? I’m really not sure if my wd’s are from subs or methodone. I just want to be done with it all. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all your comments!

    • Brian September 6, 2014, 9:17 am

      Lydia. I quit subs cold turkey from 12 mg per day. It’s been two weeks and most of the withdraw symptoms are gone. But I still have absolutely no energy and have read that it can take a long time to come back. Good luck I wish the best for you. Also depression was and is still pretty bad for me which Disturbs me cause I’ve never had a problem with that before.

      • Rachel May 30, 2016, 4:23 pm

        I, too have quit cold turkey. I don’t even know how much I was averaging. I took 6 mg yesterday and 2 today. I started on 24 mg almost two years ago and have taken that, if not more almost everyday. I’m ready to be done with these! I hate subs. I have two children who so desperately need me, a 13 year old and 5 year old girls. No husband, no BF, no family. Subs have taken my life away from my girls and me.

        How did you do it? 2 weeks and you are starting to feel better? I want that. I don’t want to flip out, cry, be angry. I just want to live without all this horrible shit. At this point I feel homicidal. Guess it’s better than suicidal. Thank you and good luck. Out of all this sadness, your post caught my eye.

    • Billy October 23, 2014, 1:43 am

      I don’t know when you posted this but I came off of methadone about three yrs now I was up to 205 mil a day. Tapered rather quickly thought I was fine took about 6 months to taper to 1 mil a day when I left that place I was one a high for about a week then it hit me like a ton of bricks. Took me 2 months to get 100% and it was the worst thing anyone can experience. I pray you are well and would like to hear your story.

    • Pop February 23, 2016, 2:01 am

      Lydia I am not an expert. I have been on methadone several times in my forty years of using heroin. That drug takes a while to come off. But you can do it. I promise you that you can. I did it hang in there.

  • Anna August 5, 2014, 11:33 pm

    I am going through suboxone withdrawl as we speak. I have been on subs for over 5 years I am a 29 year old female. 6mg was the last dose I took 48hours ago I could not taper down any less. I am going cold turkey and will keep you all posted on my prognosis. Please pray for me

    • dave S August 8, 2014, 2:06 am

      Best of luck Anna! Already said a prayer for you! Going thru sub wds as well right now and its tough. Having gone thru this before I can tell its no where near as bad as H or Oxy wds but it tends to last much longer, unfortunately. I was able to taper down t0 1 mg sub/day when i stopped this time and its not too bad! Getting sleep wont be easy and the restless legs and arms are the worst of it. But those will slowly go away. I just want to encourage you to keep strong and continue to trust in God and pray often!! And just know that I’ll be thinking about you and praying for you. Just remember, it does get better. It probably doesnt seem like it right now, but you’ll get there

      • pumpkin September 6, 2014, 4:10 am

        FYI: PARAFON FORTE 500mgs 2 every 4 hours gets rids of the restless leg syndrom. Small trick my excellent doctor taught me. Oh and for the hot/cold/hot/cold/hot/cold flashes try clonodine. If you are an addict try seraquil for sleep. Im not an addict I used SUB for pain control after a very nasty series of botched surgeries. GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL!!! You are all such STRONG people. I’m about 5 days cold turkey from 2mgs of Suboxone and I feel like hell. Constant sneezing. My bones hurt.

        Frankly I feel like a little old lady going through menopause with bad hot flashes. I figured one week and I could be off this stuff cause I have a vacation in ten days!!! But it took ALL I had to get out of bed and go get two hour deep tissue massage….ooohhh ad am I glad I did! Was the first time i slept in days! Personally I think massages help flush the toxins out of the muscles. It was great till I almost sh*t my pants on car ride home and the whole massage I was freezing (PAWS not the spa).

        One more thing… 2 Benadryl work great to get rid of the runny noise and rapid fire sneezing attacks.
        Emergen-C packets mixed with some water will give you some energy.

        Hope some of that helps!

        • Christina June 8, 2015, 2:31 pm

          I was also taking subs for chronic pain, doctor switched me to 10mg oxycodone, not helping at all. 2 weeks now still feeling achy, sneezing like crazy, my body hurts everywhere, feels like the flu :/. God Bless you all ♡ Stay strong.

    • Anna August 23, 2014, 6:00 pm

      Being on suboxone for more than 5years starting at 24mg. I finally stopped taking 6mg subs on august 4th. I could not taper down bc I am an addict and it wasn’t working out , I went cold turkey starting August 4th for two weeks using Motrin 400mg ,valerian root , soma tabs, clonodine. The rls was bad and my arms were killing me. Cold sweats, weakness, sneezing like crazy, cigarettes taste disgusting right now, back pain blah blah blah… I started methadone 5mg on August 19th I taper down every other day. I couldn’t stand the pain so my dr prescribed me the methadone. Today is August 23rd I feel like okay. I’m on 2.5mg methadone today. Hopefully by next week I’ll be clean. I don’t know what else to do. The 3rd week seemed to be the worst.

      I wish I would have quit cold turkey from the blues and Percs I was taking. The withdrawl sucks from pills but it’s much easier and faster than this suboxone withdrawl. I didn’t know this information 6 years ago I’m only 29years old. But I am focused and going to keep fighting until I am back to myself again

    • Brian September 6, 2014, 9:23 am

      I was taking 12 mg per day and took my last 6mg two weeks ago then stopped cold turkey as I could not afford it anymore. The first week was the worst and has been getting steadily better everyday after day 8. But I still have extreme fatigue and depression which I never had before. Best of luck to you and just take it one day at a time.

    • nicholas October 14, 2014, 1:49 am

      Oh, how I just prayed my heart out for you! I understand…

    • Robert brown November 16, 2014, 4:21 am

      I will I’m thirty on day five and this is rough I’m strong though ex semi pro football player. I don’t want to touch another strip ever! Was on sub for six years. Please pray for me

  • Maria August 16, 2014, 1:37 am

    I just came off 1mlg suboxone after being on and off opiates for 5 years .. Been to detox a few times and have been on my subs but would use when my money was up and finally I decided to quit spending thousands of dollars on pills, doctors and detox when I’m only 23 and just got into a nursing program so I took the summer off to taper off subs.. Got down to 1 mlg which I NEVER thought I could and have felt minimal pain. It’s been 4 days and I have worked out while taping off subs , ate healthy, drank mad water and Gatorade and prepared for the worse but feel good. So taper down as much as possible .. Drink water.. I take vitamin .. B-6.. B12 L-Tyss and from detox have trazidone and non narcotic shit for restless legs … Be prepared mentally n taper and trust me it will be manageable !

  • Jaime August 18, 2014, 6:19 pm

    I’ve been on suboxone for 6 years and had my last dose on Wednesday night. I was on a tapering schedule but I didn’t stick to it because I liked the feel of the suboxone & feared withdrawal. Now that I’m almost 5 days without it I feel like sh#t. I want to go back on it just so I can live normally again. The fall semester starts tomorrow and I’m afraid I will struggle because of my withdrawal. I am scared that it can last up to a year

    • Merryann August 25, 2014, 3:30 pm

      I was scared of the same things as everyone else is on here! Like you I liked the way it made me feel!!! I have been off suboxone for 16 days straight! Read one of my posts on here about how I stopped, & hopefully it may help you! If you stick to tapering the right way like I did the withdrawal is still going to happen but it is much less than just stopping or starting & then stopping again!

      It stays in your system for quite awhile so tapering can be tricky, but I found my own routine for tapering and it was awesome (for me) I still am having some mild withdrawal but it is so much better and I am coming around! There are supplements that can help at least for me they did, melatonin, valerian root, B12 for energy or even a 5 hour energy shot once in awhile if you need it, a wonderful sleep aide if needed is Alteril, I get these at CVS or Walgreeens and they help! I wanted to go back on like you to live “normal” again but I had to say enough is enough if this drug causes an addiction so strong and withdrawal with symptoms just as strong is this normal????

      I can’t do this to myself the rest of my life it just isn’t worth it to me, imo! This drug to me is not a cure, it is simply going off one thing and into another! It will not last a year, not the withdrawal, it is already easing up for me, it might take months to feel whole again, like yourself but don’t let withdrawal scare you so bad you give up…. before you even realize it you will be through the hard part & you will be happy you stayed with it, trust me, I am sooooo happy! :) Good luck I am rooting for you all the way!!!! YOU GOT THIS!!!! Peace!!!

      • Charlie August 31, 2014, 3:05 am

        My name is charlie. I’ve been on subs for 2 years and I cut my self down to a quarter a day. Now I’m going on day two without anything, I feel alittle different but not much. Is the wds as bad when you dosed down to hardly nothing can somebody let me no thanks

        • karen Darvin October 7, 2014, 2:30 pm

          I cut down also but it needs to be for a long time, skipping days for weeks etc. I was on 4 years so it might be worse. Also, I wish you luck, but the wd for me started about a week later each time I tried to stop. But I’m getting through it so you can too!

  • Derek August 21, 2014, 6:12 am

    Its been five days since I took subs. I’ve only take a fourth of a 8 mil strip per day. Been doing this for a little over a year. I’m eating Xanax to help me sleep. I don’t care for any symptoms but rls…..its to the point I want to bash my legs with golf clubs. How much more of this rls do I have left. If someone tells me 30 days I’m going to lose it.

    • Merryann August 25, 2014, 3:12 pm

      I have had restless legs for 15 days but it is easing up, meaning less & less each night, now I will still find myself kind of shaking my legs & feet back & forth while watching TV or resting, but nothing like the first week, it truly is better! Hang in there, if I can do it anyone can do it, I have been on some type of opiates for 15 years, and now I am not! Tired but drug free! You have this!!!!

  • softkitty August 21, 2014, 11:07 pm

    I had to cover my boss and work at 5am and the clinic doesn’t open til 6. For Three days I missed my dose and let me tell you I wish I was dead. It’s nothing like pills or dope this crap here is serious stuff. I find getting in a tub of hot water while the fan blows on your face. Baby sip everything…no gingerale the foam sucks. And nothing that taste like bupe because you will really throw up. I did that and took some xanax and I’m getting better.

    • Tim July 11, 2016, 3:53 pm

      Lol… not for long you won’t. It is temporary relief but later you will need help getting better but doesn’t matter!

  • Merryann August 25, 2014, 3:07 pm

    This is my experience with going off Suboxone but first here is a bit of history~~~!I was on opiates for 12 years & just decided to stop, well that didn’t work out so good, that withdrawal of course was HELL! I went to my Dr who said try methadone so I did & stayed on that for awhile until she decided to pull the plug due to our new laws in FL so I freaked & with no sympathy from her at all, she said you will have SOME discomfort! I was in hell trying to come off that, serious horrible issues!

    My husband went back with me this time and said to he… be her Dr & help her with this, she says we can do suboxone for her, well it sounded okay until I realized this drug is just as potent for me but I stayed on it fearing the all mighty “withdrawl” until I woke up one day & said to myself I will be 50 this year so do I really want to be dependent on some sort of drug that causes this many issues for the rest of my life, will I be 90 still trying to get suboxone??? It really made me stop and think!

    SO I had a 30 day supply of the strips I cut the strips & started taking less each day, then went down to every other day, then every 5th day, until down to once a week, until done, meaning ran out! Everybody is different so this is how it is for me right now, I am on day 16 without any!!! I have slight nausea, muscle aches, & my sinuses are all messed up with runny nose, dry cough, and sneezing! I don’t sleep more than 4 hours a night, and the restless leg thing is so annoying you really will want to club your legs, mild irritability, diarrhea, all the ones mentioned….BUT….This all has subsided & is getting less and less the past 4 days, so happy to see it easing up, not gone by any means but tolerable!

    I would force myself to do everyday things as hard as it was & for me hot showers, and short walks in the fresh air helped but were hard in the beginning due to fatigue! I will never ever take this drug again, or any that causes this much discomfort, it is just not worth it, I would rather withdraw from an opiate pain pill any day then try to come off methadone or suboxone but I am going to be happy the rest of my life not being on anything! I do take natural supplements to help me just from Walgreens like Valerian root, melatoin, & a sleep aide called Averil, HELPS so much! I wish anyone who read this good luck with whatever your facing and just know IT DOES END & IT DOES GET EASIER!!!!

    Just takes time & although I am easing up with the symptoms I am no way feeling my old self or normal, I realistically know this will take months maybe a year, not to be in withdrawal it really gets better by the 2nd week but just to be back to normal physically & mentally! Just hang in there don’t give up give up, if your already into being off of it just tell yourself Okay one more day, then before you know it you will be saying okay another day down, and then another, and so on, and so on!!!! You got this & it can be done!!!!!! Peace & blessings!!!

    • kim September 4, 2014, 5:59 pm

      Wow Merryann I never reply but you are so right. this is the worst drug ever. I was on opiates for about 5 years then went on saboxone for 4 and half years. I started on 24 mg a day which is ridiculous, but I took it for 4 years like that. Then my plan was to quit for the new year but I still had 60 film left. So I changed it to quitting on my birthday and tapering off.

      When my birthday came I still wasn’t out but I was down to .25 a day for 2 months and finally ran out on August 3rd 2014. I had already stocked up on vitamins and I decided that I would eat healthy, walk, drink tons of water, because I was going to beat this. I’m 3 years from being 50 and I kept saying I WANT MY OLD SELF BACK!!!! I was very scared and stressed myself out more than needed. Tapering off does work.

      I felt moody and a little depressed the first week. Never got RLS or body aches, and I sleep. My get up and go and positive thoughts are returning and I’m so proud of myself. NO CRAVINGS!!! So if you are going through this, hang in there because it will get better. Exercise as much as you can to get the toxins out of your system. Day 32 for me clean and so happy

      • Cathy July 17, 2015, 3:40 pm

        Was using opiates for 30 years. Got on suboxone 24 mg 2 & 1/4 years ago. After a while, my doctor began a very slow taper that lasted over two years. My last suboxone was three days ago. (0.5 mg). I definitely feel low. I have no energy, a bit depressed, sneezing, yawning, sweating. But I know it will get better. I pray this is my last bout with opiates ever. But as they say, one day at a time. Thanks for your support. I think I can handle this!!

  • Daniel McGinty August 31, 2014, 7:50 pm

    On my first day of tapering. Been on subs for 2yrs. Trying to get off all drug s. Thanks for all information.

  • Ginny August 31, 2014, 10:43 pm

    I have been on suboxone 4 years and my doctor starting the tapering process and actually took me from 16mg a day to 8mg in one month then he was going to 1/2. I didn’t go back. So I am going on day 6 of and I feel like I could cut my legs off. This is horrible. I am on Gabapentin and honestly it has helped with the anxiety and I take a sleeping med so I hot that covered but I can’t handle the pain another second. Please help should I go to the ER or just stick it out. I am just scared they will admit me or something and I don’t want that.

    • matt September 30, 2014, 10:54 am

      Try to find a compassionate doctor to treat you with 100 – 125 mg librium per day for a month … this will give you back your appetite for short periods but you will still experience wd’s but they willl be reduced in intensity… I’m on week 2 but I absolutely cannot sleep and still experience lack of concentration on anything at all. I’ve detoxed off methadone and it was cake compared to this mainly due to the duration and continued intensity of sickness of suboxone… ER doc’s know nothing about this which is a massive problem… nor will insurance companies cover buprenorphine detox because it’s supposed to be the cure … It’s a terrrible lie and it makes me wanna die or try to find a way to sue my original prescribing psychiatrist

      • Merryann October 14, 2014, 1:32 pm

        I agree so much with what you said it is a terrible lie, suboxone is now the number one drug abused & can be more addicting than any other drug I ever used!! I am 65 days clean & I will never relapse, I had trouble sleeping in the beginning now I drink a sleepy herbal tea before bed & that is it, RLS lasted far longer than I thought it would, & focusing is hard some days but I would rather have some MINOR annoying things to deal with than to ever be on any opiate again, it is ruthless & shows no mercy for years once addicted..sigh…so glad the worse is over! It’s not the cure suboxone is it’s own disease… sorry its my own experience that led me to that conclusion! I hope your progressing I truly do, good luck!

        • MU123 August 21, 2016, 11:15 am

          Merryann. How long did insomnia related to WDs last? Also how long were you on suboxone? I’m trying to use your story as inspiration because it seems to be only one on here that is positive. Everybody else’s story on here scares sh-t out of me.

  • jordan September 1, 2014, 10:49 pm

    GINNY- i know what you mean with RLS pain, i had it bad BUT i put a bar of irish spring soap under my sheets next to my feet and within 1 minute the pain was gonna and i havnt had it since….TRY IT!!!! loads of magnesium in those bars and the vapor under the sheets somehow goes into your skin and heals you good luck!! :)

  • Shawna September 3, 2014, 8:19 pm

    My doctor put me on Suboxone 4mg 3 times a day in about 2006 for chronic pain. By March 2013 he had slowly increased my dose to 8mg 3 times a day. I was also on several other meds too. I never realized how badly it was affecting me until I started weaning myself down. By September of that year I was down to 16mg a day and hadn’t felt any true withdrawal symptoms at that point.

    I decided to go into rehab and spent 5 weeks there, the extra week just because my symptoms were so bad. They were only able to get me down to 2mg a day while I was there. I have spent the past year slowly weaning down to what can only be described as the smallest amount possible, crumbs really, of what I have left. My crumbs may last another 4 days. Even with as slowly and carefully that I have decreased, the withdrawals the last 3-4 weeks have been horrendous. If the symptom is listed above, I seem to have it.

    My current doctors think its because I was on such a high dose for so long. And yes, I feel like I am going literally crazy. The emotional turmoil, the insomnia, and the rigid muscles are over the top. My husband is trying to be understanding, but how can he? The only “blessing” is that I am on permanent disability and don’t have to work. I know I need to stay distracted and active, but sometimes it just feels like to much and not worth trying. I am hoping for some small improvement soon. This drug is an absolute nightmare. Good luck to everyone who is fighting this horrible battle…

    • Anon September 7, 2014, 9:42 pm

      What is wrong with you people, buprenorphine is easy to come off. I had a habit for 15 years, I used subs to come off several times. Every time I did it was easy. Start off with initial high dosage but tapered it off in the NEXT FEW DAYS. Get to 1mg then stopped and had zero or minimal side affects. I understand that it may be harder if you have taken them for years but surely my years of chronic heroin usage is similar. My only problems have been psychological. I have only been successful by addressing this. Seek counselling.

      • Dialated September 24, 2014, 6:55 pm

        no your heroin detox was nothing compared to long term bupe use i spent 6 years as a heavy opiate user then another 3 on bupe, you say it was easy because you used it properly and only exposed to it over the course of a few days. do that a few years? the come off is brutal. I’m just getting through my 2nd detox apparently my 40 day stay at destination hope didn’t teach me anything and I needed to experiment more day 6 (this time off low dose 1mg day) and i’m still going through it I’ve resorted to eating a single slice of dry wheat bread in the a.m. for breakfast and soup broth during the day as my gut can’t handle anything else.

        here’s to hoping I turn the corner in a day or two this last run lasted 90 days so 2 to 3 weeks I should be doing good again, took 25 days of hardcore dope sickness while I was in florida coming off hard from 24mg for 3 straight years. I think this drug needs investigated and shouldn’t ever be used for “maintenance ” it’s a cash cow for the prescribing drug dealer (Dr.) but it’s a friggin nightmare for the end user. I would say regular opiate detox has a higher initial intensity that quickly tapers over 7 to 14 days. but bupe….if you’ve been on it for years and are abruptly stopping….get a medical leave from work, your gonna need it.

        • F***Thiss*** September 11, 2015, 11:48 am

          I was on subs for 3-4 years can’t remember exactly when I started, but started out on Percocet, Vicodin, Opana (40s), Cocaine, molly (mdma).. pretty much everything besides benzos. I am on day 39 and still feel horrible when I wake up (never really did a taper. Started out at 2 a day. I was doing a quarter to a half of subutex a day towards the end before I jumped, mostly a half… 4mg)… mostly the damn chills/sweats and stomach problems.

          I was thinking this crap would only take like 2 weeks at the most! I’ve been going to work everyday too. And the day I quit was my first day of 12 hour day shifts (working with MRDD patients) after being on 14 hour midnights for 5 years, so on top of just working and dealing with withdrawals I had to change my whole sleep schedule around and start waking up at 4:30 in the morning. Also the day I jumped off/started day shift, someone decided they’d brick my windshield (almost positive it was my boss’s crazy wife).

          I would also recommend taking a medical leave from work IF you get paid for it or can afford to miss the days you need to miss, but I didn’t have that option, unfortunately. I feel the thing that works the best is being in the sun. When I’m working in the sun I almost feel like I’m not going through withdrawals at all. Can’t wait to be done with this crap and feeling normal!!

      • Joshua c March 30, 2015, 7:17 am

        I will agree with you here. Every time I start using again I make sure to get a sub from someone. I don’t have insurance so I can only afford one. I got a 12mg one a few days ago as I started back on the H a few weeks ago. I usually take 2 mgs when I first feel wds, then take 1 mg when I feel them again. I continue this method of taking half my last dose until I get to a small sliver, about a week or so in. I feel a little W/D but I take Xanax and some clonidine and I am A-OK.

        These doctors are damn crooks. I have been on 24 mgs a day of subs before when I had insurance and would always go back to pain pills as the withdraws were much easier to manage than being on subs. It’s easy as hell to detox off subs if you have only been on them less than a month. I feel sympathy and pray for y’all who have been on them longer. Hard as hell to get off them after they change your damn brain chemistry. Hate this damn med!

        • Jen August 29, 2015, 11:27 am

          I had been on suboxone for 2 years. I was on great program that reqiured group meetings as well as one on ones with doctors and counselors. I started out on one 8 mg strip a day. Went to a half…no problem. 1/4 ok not bad at all. I finally got down to .0625 of a mg and that was when I experienced mild withdrawal symptoms. I had a headache. Nothing Tylenol couldn’t handle.

          I did have anxiety but didn’t think it was anything major or out of the ordinary ( I have 4 small kids…stress is normal). No major stomach issues just tired and low on energy. I worked full time and took care of my family not realizing that this was the withdrawal. I found a website that calculates the last 10 days of dosages and tells you your daily level. At that point I had not been taking enough suboxone to have any effect on my body. I thought I was on day 2 but in reality was on day 6…the worst was over.

          I made it. I was so scared by the posts that I have been reading. Not very many of them are positive. Suboxone does work with counseling and yes, even I thought it was dumb at the time, group sessions. They helped me realize I was addicted and not just dependant. The doctors were great. I think that the doctors don’t realize just how low you have to taper before you jump off completely.

          A large amount of it is psychological but I found it hard to convince myself that I was not withdrawing when I knew I was. If you got anything out of this post please let it be that….the key to minimal withdrawal is to taper very low and yes suboxone does work. My best to all of you and please I cannot stress enough taper, taper taper. Good luck!

    • DavidB April 23, 2015, 10:56 pm

      Anon, don’t EVER say “what is wrong with you?” to sub people. That is VERY wrong. Everyone is different coming off this drug. Don’t know why but it is true. I am an ex-heroin user and haven’t used in over 10 years. I got fooled into taking subs for arthritic pain and the first time I quit them, no problem. Then I went back to subs because it was so easy to get off and stayed on it for 3 years. I went down to 2 mgs/day and then got off.

      It was as bad as H if not worse, and it wasn’t over in 5 days. It is over 30 days after and I still have awful pain in my legs and chills. But I will make it through, it is manageable now, and I will never go back again to subs. TO EVERY READER – withdrawal from subs is different for each person. Use the suggestions here, they are good, and timelines here provide a good rule of the thumb, but it is not as exact as it is getting off H or alcohol. Don’t let that freak you out.

      The first 7 days is the worst, but for many it is not over. Don’t let the long withdrawal defeat you. Hang in there, taper long, use a Perc once in a while for a break or Ultram is good for me, but don’t get trapped on those, and you will eventually make it through. Vitamins, MUCH water to flush, and exercise – do not underrate them, they DO make a difference – ask any good ex-addict! Thirty days and counting.

      • Christina June 8, 2015, 3:14 pm

        Thank you for your comment, my thoughts exactly, everyone goes through WD differently, the longer you’ve been on subs the harder it gets, I’ve been taking for 7 years, 2 Weeks off now, in a lot of pain now but I’ll fight through it.

  • Trish September 11, 2014, 7:23 am

    Thank u all for ur help. I am now nervous but ready… I was a junkie for 10 years, methadone for 3 years, now suboxone going on three years 16mg a day. my doc made a mistake and did not give me enough of my scripts I tried to call her but she is on vacation, so now I have 8 milligrams srip left to last me the next 14 days.. I need your prayers.. as you are all in mine

    • John September 26, 2014, 9:13 pm

      I am a former Vicodin addict. 9, 10mg pills per day for 10 years. I am what is referred to as a am a successful, functioning, addict that finally had to retire early due to the adverse reactions to the sub that I was taking (4 mg per day). Of course I did not admit that to anyone including my wife (I think she knew anyway and is very supportive) that Subs were the reason for my early retirement.

      The main reason I didn’t tell anyone is no one, except my wife, ever knew I was using Subs. Everyone thought I was a wonder boy (man) for going through a successful Vicodin rehab 10 years ago and I did not have the nerve to tell anyone differently. Anyway, let me get to my point. After reading many of your posts, no one has questioned the obvious fact here. WHY did the pain doctors prescribe Sub to all of us addicts knowing that Sub rehab is much harder than most of the drugs we were originally addicted to that caused us to seek out help in the first place.

      They could have just as easily given us the very drugs they are prescribing me now to help me off a much more difficult drug than Vicodin to withdraw from, Sub. Answer, we’ve all been had by the Doctors who see us every 30 to 60 days to refill our scripts and by the DRUG COMPANIES, that produce this poison and seem untouchable taking any responsibly or the lack of info given to all of us when it was initially prescribed to me. Remember, all of us have a common thread, we are addicts and don’t fool yourself, the doctors and drug companies know this and how vulnerable we were to a drug that is legally prescribed that gave us the high we liked. What a scam!!! !

      I find this appalling and it should be illegal, but of course the drug companies run the economy and are seemingly untouchable! I will say it again, fellow Sub addicts, we’ve been had!!! I am now on day 5 of withdrawal from my 4mg per day dose of Suboxone. Started sub with 12 mg per day for 3 years and tapered to 4 mg dose for the last 4 years, then quit 5 days ago. Toughest thing I have ever had to do! Besides the total body fatigue, i’m just not comfortable with the depression and numbness in my brain. Anyway, after reading many of your posts I had to ask the obvious, why were we taken advantage of. We all know the answer big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Good luck to all. See ya. -John

  • Jay September 25, 2014, 6:35 am

    I Have been on three opiates for a botch surgery , 8 years . Tried subs for 24 days starting at 4 cut 8 in half down to 1/8 mg last 4 days buggin I am going get through the with the grace of God . I pray for all of you here.
    Just want to be normal again.

  • Ed September 28, 2014, 10:48 pm

    Been on Vicodin a few years needed to stop. Found a doc that would help using Suboxone. Been on that stuff for 1.5 yrs. decided enuff. Was taking 16mg dose a day. Tapered down to about 4mg and went cold turkey. It’s been tough. I’m now into week 5 (33rd day). Still can’t sleep, headaches, it’s like a cloud is hanging over my head, still have dull pains through my body blurry vision and still lethargic. I’m tired and just be done with it already. But, can’t give up. Prayer don’t work. And just angry. Though it’s the longest I’ve gone without, don’t think I can last much longer without some improvement. This crap sucks, and I did it to myself as usual. I hope change comes soon

  • Shane0 September 29, 2014, 3:16 pm

    I finally decided that i was ready to kick subs despite being completely freaked out about the unknown.. I had been reading about other peoples experience with it on a number of message boards and really thought it was going to be a very long and miserable experience. I started off with lorecet, which ended up being a 20+ a day habit and moved on to oxy which I was swallowing 1 80mg, snorting another and chasing it with liquid oxy-dose..

    I was a monster!! :( I was on 24mg of suboxone and snorting subutex all day along with it for close to 3 yrs. Now I am right at 2 weeks with nothing and i feel like a million bucks.. I went completely cold turkey.. I moved from my old place and went to stay with my sister for awhile because it’s a very stable/drug free environment. I know everyone cant drop everything and move, but I’m very convinced it’s all mindset.. I was severely depressed for the first few days.. Once that was done I felt so good mentally I didn’t really give a shit about the hot flashes, goosebumps and burning the toilet up.

    I live in Louisiana and did this 90 degree weather on a shrimpboat pretty much everyday for a week.. I wish everyone who want’s to get off sub much luck, it’s more than possible. I would advise not to lay around, doing nothing and convincing yourself your gonna feel like turds.. Cause’ i’m guessing you will if you do. I know everyone is different, but you can do it and you’ll feel great when you do

  • jake September 29, 2014, 7:13 pm

    I’ve been a opana 40mg user roxys u name it I’ve done it and I hit rock bottom and was tired of spending thousands and ruining my life I started seeing a sub Dr and I thought I was doing something great until I realized I just replaced one habit with another and now I’m ready to be off but like everyone else wd sucks and I make 1 8mg strip last about 15 days I’m tired of being dependant on something to feel normal I miss being normal I look around and I see people and say to my self they wake up and have no thoughts about what if I run out or what if I don’t take it. I’m ready to quit and I’m tired of being dependant. Non users don’t understand what it feels like so it easy for them to say just quit we no it’s not that easy. I’m gonna take my last piece Tomm and go from there. Wish me luck

    • matt September 30, 2014, 11:25 am

      You’re going to get very sick for a very long time (I tapered nearly exactly as you did then discontinued) … suboxone is harder to kick than any other opioid (unless you taper from where you were down to .25 for months then to little pieces for a while) due to the duration of WD … they can last for months … try to get a script for chlordiazepoxide q.i.d. 25mg but take exactly as prescribed and if you can’t then have a trusted friend or family member dispense them to you.

      I’m on week two with benzo treatment OP … I sleep an hour or less per night, can’t stop moving my legs and I cry all day off and on ….I also get incredibly agitated and feel like Dennis Hopper as Frank Boothe in Blue Velvet … avoid alcohol it will make you incredibly sick too …. if you must and cannot stop vomiting try some thc but this can cause akathisia (restless legs) during withdrawal and increase your heart rate which would cause just more agitation and pain in the long run ….

      I will pray for you just please say one for me cause I don’t know how much more I can take before I hit the streets and if I do that it’s the end of me … I have a lot of thoughts of death and just how I no longer want to be in pain physically or emotionally …. you are not alone though —this process is so isolating though – no one gets it …. late at night I try to call old friends from days of recovery but they don’t bother nor do they care at all about me … f#ck em’ I’ll go it alone and just experience this hellish dream

      • Ashley October 12, 2014, 4:23 pm

        How are you doing? I hope you have stuck this out? Im thinking of you and hoping you found some peace. Please let me know if it got better.

    • Christina June 8, 2015, 3:23 pm

      Good luck to you ♡ you got this :)

  • Brooks September 30, 2014, 3:36 pm

    I wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this topic. I appreciate the website and it has a lot of great information, but speaking from someone who has been through withdrawal on both high doses of everything I could get to withdrawal from suboxone, saying 90 days may scare some people. Suboxone saved my life. My withdrawal from other things was absolute hell- weeks of my skin crawling and vomiting and no sleep. What many people fail to recognize is that suboxone withdrawal can many times be done while at work (i did and I know many other people who did).

    No way in HELL i could have done that from the other substances (opiates but not going to get too specific). The key thing with suboxone is that most people (and many doctors) don’t realize how powerful suboxone is – they start people WAAAY too high. I think the reason they do this is because suboxone has a ceiling effect – after about 24mg taking more basically does nothing. Most people shouldn’t start at higher than 8mg and that is for a high abuse habit. The key to suboxone withdrawal is TAPER TAPER TAPER. This drug as everyone knows has a very long half-life. Don’t jump from anything higher than 1mg.

    I wish they sold the drug in doses lower than 2mg but they don’t, so you will have to cut the strip (or pill) in half or double half. The last few weeks I was taking about .5mg a day, then going to every other day. After 9 days I felt almost 100% better. I know every will have a different experience, but personally if I was right in the middle of withdrawal and read that it would be 90 days before I felt better I would have given up. I understand that you want to be honest and some people may take 90 days, but the majority of the REALLY bad withdrawal is usually done in 2 weeks.

    You will still have lingering side effects but who ever really feels 100% every day? Good luck to everyone, life is SO much better sober. I laugh again, I am myself again, I cry again, and I love again. It’s amazing how much this drug takes from you. GET CLEAN and live your life.

    • CJ January 8, 2016, 10:19 pm

      I started on suboxone therapy in November 2012 after being addicted to opiates off and on for years. My compassionate doctor started me on 4mg and I very slowly tapered over two years until I was down to 0.4mg. There was no lower dose to go to and I was in a really good head space (just as I had been for the two years I’d not been taking opiates/narcs), and I had an end date – my birthday which was New Year’s Eve.

      I stopped on the 23rd December and two days later had world’s worst restless legs. I went to see my GP who prescribed a short course of valium, and now I am down to half a tablet with the aim of being completely off it in a few days. I have taken the valium as directed and have had no cravings for drugs in the two years I’ve been off them. As well as the valium (it’s not a panacea), I’ve been having epsom salts (magnesium) baths, a dissolvable magnesium supplement in the evening and Indian tonic water for the quinine which has also worked wonders.

      Also – no alcohol and lots of water. I’ve never had so much energy and my body clock seems to have done a complete 180… I’m waking up very early in the morning and am feeling quite energized (still a little tired because my body is recalibrating from the two years I spent on subs). Suboxone therapy was the best thing I ever did. Like you say Brooks, living clean is the best feeling in the world and YOU CAN DO IT, PEOPLE.

      I think having patience with my über slow taper, as well as my 100% commitment to being clean had a lot to do with it, as well as pure iron will. I’ve done cold turkey a couple of times which is hell on earth, but I had no other choice. Right now, I couldn’t think of anything worse than being back on the gear, and while I’m not saying it’s easy, it’s worth it. Best of luck, everyone :)

    • MU123 August 21, 2016, 11:33 am

      Thank you for the positive story Brooks. The 90 day thing freaked me out too.

  • Brooks October 1, 2014, 12:01 am

    One more thing I forgot to mention. Make sure you plan your withdrawal. I know I said TAPER TAPER TAPER which is critical, but also plan on dealing with the effects of withdrawal. I’m not saying that it is easy, but I am saying that when done properly it is MUCH easier than coming off other things. One thing that will help tremendously with stomach issues is Imodium (Loperamide) which is actually the only over the counter opiate medication available in the States. There are many arguments over if Imodium crosses the blood-brain barrier (it does) and I am NOT advocating how to get high. My only point is that at times Imodium was a life saver in the first few days of really intense withdrawal. It targets the u-opiod receptors in your gastrointestinal tract and helps with the diarrhea, calms your stomach and some addicts even report that it calms the withdrawal symptoms.

    For aches and pains take ibuprofen. Hot showers are almost orgasmic when going through withdrawals. Like the site says, recognize that your body is going through massive changes and that is to be expected. It does get better.

  • Mark October 3, 2014, 2:20 am

    I would just like to say it sounds like we all have the same thing in common. Complete fatigue no matter how little or how much of the Suboxone we’ve taken. I’ve been off the Suboxone now for a month and I’m still pretty damn fatigued. I hope there is an end because there is a life out there.

  • Mickey October 4, 2014, 7:58 pm

    I’ve never posted on the net, but here goes… I’ve been fighting junk for 50 years, many detoxes, rehabs, nut houses, jail and sh*t like that, even tried suicide 3 times. Detoxing was a bitch. Sometimes it was days or weeks. But this sh*t is in a class of its own. Been on it now for 4 years, now detoxing. Just want to thank you ALL for posts. I honestly believe there is tiny bit of hope to live a normal life. Hang in there folks. Thanks for sharing your hopes.

  • Br3ntl3ys October 5, 2014, 12:55 pm

    This is a tuff road! I started taking suboxone for pain, it seemed better than opiates… Been on them for 5 or 6 years only because everytime I tried to stop taking them I felt horrible. I decided enuff is enuff! I’m a strong willed person, So now I’m @ a month and a half off them cold turkey… I won’t lie, there were a few (4) days I had to take a little bit only because I had things that needed to get done.

    I haven’t been able to do anything otherwise, luckily I have people that are supporting me while I sit around miserable not being able to move, go to work or stop throwing up some days! I still feel like I’m kicking dope everyday, muscle tremors ! I could be wrong with the names but there are a few non narcotic pain killers that may help a little if your Dr. will prescribe them for you.

    Gabapentin works for the restless leg tremors, Tramadol is good, Lyrica works… if you can get prescribed Ativan, its a life saver. I drink a lot of herbal teas that help. But keep in mind don’t trade one drug for another. IDK I’m still working on it just thought I’d share ~ don’t give up, only the strong survive!

  • Br3ntl3ys October 5, 2014, 7:25 pm

    To sum it all up ~ I’ve been drinking beers too much – it doesn’t help but if that’s what you gotta do, that’s what you do? I have a good support system but if you don’t just call the “Addiction Center” This is tuff to kick. I’m over a month & half in, mind you ~ I still have some and I wont touch these again. I wish everyone here hope & justice but you all knew the consequences. There is no wonder drug out there! Sorry but I’m miserable about this, I got screwed on “recovery”!

  • karen darvin October 5, 2014, 9:27 pm

    I am on about week two of tapered off suboxone, I know I didn’t taper it long enough. The withdrawals are getting worse although i can get through the day, it’s just really awful. Depression, no appetite, anxiety, runny nose, fear! I was on it for 4 years because I was having trouble not relapsing after quitting Lortab 60 a week. So I thought the suboxone would give me time to get over the cravings etc and yes, if I could not have the withdrawals, thank you.

    So now I find that here are the withdrawals after-all and I would only guess that it is karmic retribution.There is no easier softer way although I don’t think I could have quit the pills otherwise, then I’d be killing my liver. What scares me most is reading that these symptoms can last 3 months or a year! That is alarming. Anyone have any hopeful news?

    • Merryann October 14, 2014, 1:45 pm

      I am 65 days clean almost all bad symptoms are totally gone, just some minor annoying things like fatigue (energy shots help with the really low energy days) & focusing is hard sometimes but I will take these over what I had the first 4 weeks, holy crap, that sucked so bad, IMO suboxone was not the answer for me, it may help some at lower doses, but I truly believe the problem lies in the Dr’s not knowing enough, dosing too high & not tapering off their patients once it is no longer needed.

      It is only supposed to be used to help us kick opiates and not crave them anymore so this is not a drug needed for years, just enough to kick the opiates. I think all of us on here know that once on suboxone you don’t want to be off, it is just another addiction, we have replaced one bad drug for an even worse drug! I know you said 3 months to a year scares you but after 2 months you will feel so much better & then you can sit back & say OMG I got this & then think why would you want to ever do it again ( meaning relapse) only to repeat the cycle & ruin all your hard work to get off suboxone. GOOD LUCK!

  • Karen Darvin October 7, 2014, 12:39 pm

    I am doing my own hopeful update, esp since there are people saying this can go on for 3 months, a year. I started taking B6, B12, ginseng with royal jelly, Trazodone to help with sleep although I would like to stop that eventually. I also had taken myself off of anti depressants cold turkey about a month before and I knew I shouldn’t have done that, so also restarting those slowly – today was the first time I took a whole pill.

    Energy is a little better but I feel generally fatigued and not healthy, still sad and anxious because it seems to go on forever and I thought I was done with this four years ago when I got off the painkillers. Also drinking green vegetable juice, gatorade,trying to eat a little even when I don’t feel like it which is most of the time. So I am telling myself that at this point it can only get better, it won’t get worse, and I am making it – one day at a time.

    Next I need to start at least walking, I tried a little yoga, but I do think that it makes sense that exercise will move some of the residual toxins out. Also trying to see a holistic doctor who is highly recommended.

  • Lilli October 8, 2014, 6:11 am

    I’m seeing many comments about getting discouraged by the idea that suboxone withdrawal will go on for 3-12 months. DONT GET DISCOURAGED!! The pain you’re in now, in the first few days of your detox won’t go on forever, or even for 3 months. The severity of the withdrawal symptoms will start to subside around the end of the second week. I’m not going to lie, the detox sucks. It’s uncomfortable, painful, and it feels like you’ll never feel like a normal person again; that you’re doomed. This is FALSE!!

    Bottom line, your brain has a chemical imbalance from all the opiates/suboxone your body has taken in. This chemical imbalance causes the body’s pain, discomfort, rls, etc. and the only thing that can fix this imbalance is time. And every day that goes by brings you closer to that “normal” feeling we all were aiming for when we sacked the subs. There is no exact time line for when this sh#t-storm will be over, but the insomnia, rls, and general body pains will be significantly improved after 2 weeks.

    When I detoxed subs cold turkey (about 3mgs daily), I didn’t sleep one minute of the first week. My legs and arms kicked violently, as I’m sure most other detoxers are experiencing. This sh#t does end, I promise. I want to say I started to feel better every day after the 12th or 13th day. And I didn’t feel any of this pain after the 3rd week. The thing that takes the most time is getting your energy back. I’m 2.5 months off subs and my energy level came around towards the middle – end of my 2nd month clean.

    Stay strong and keep your head up! It’s an amazing feeling to wake up feeling good all on your own, and you’ll get there too! You just have to make it through each day, one day at a time.

  • Mark October 9, 2014, 2:19 am

    I like Lilli’s comment that is pretty much how it is you guys. I’m checking in again a couple weeks later a month and a half now off Suboxone small signs of improvement less sneezing less runny nose a little better sleep. The main thing we were all duped on Suboxone. The reality is we should’ve only been on it about 30 days maximum, what a shame… good luck to all of you.

  • christian October 10, 2014, 6:28 pm

    I have been clean from subs for 30 days. I am def suffering from paws. One day I feel 100% the next day I fee like crap! I have taken 8 mg sub once a day for close to 3 years. How long can I expect this crap to stay in me. I have absolutely no desire to take pain meds. Just want to feel normal.

  • annabelle October 10, 2014, 11:31 pm

    Well, the most frustrating part of this all , is that NONE of us want to be junkies. We all want to feel normal…that’s all, not high, just normal. You think that would not be too much to ask for wouldn’t you? But alas, apparently it is lol… having said that though. It does get better, and you have to keep telling yourself that… out loud if you have to.

    I would stand in front of the mirror and repeat this over and over, then I would make insane faces but that was due to me from the withdrawal lol. Suboxone is like any other drug to a junkie, which is bad news. We’re addicts people, in order for us to get well we need to be DRUG free. It’s that simple, what’s not simple is getting there.

    The ONLY thing that works is time and for many addicts patience is not something we have a great deal of. It does get better… I promise and life becomes magical once again :) Hang in there!!

    • Merryann October 14, 2014, 1:57 pm

      BINGO!!! Addicts need to be DRUG FREE not replace one drug for another that is where the Doctors are making huge mistakes in prescribing this, 30 days is the most a TRUE addict should be on this drug, not years, that makes it another addiction…!!!! I have to say if I knew then what I know now I would have just quit the opiates cold turkey and handled it, I know some may disagree with me but we are all different, but I hate what suboxone did to me, my mind, my body, my spirit, is that a cure to anything, because that is what they call it, a cure to addiction, um…nope it is not…..just another drug that causes addiction & that is a disease not a cure!!!

      Anyways, well said Annabelle, life without any drugs in your system really is magical, I was on opiates for a long time thinking those are what made me feel magical, all I did was build up tolerance & then there was no magical anything anymore, just panic about running out, running low, withdrawal if I ran out, Gosh I hate those memories, I am loving this new feeling with new memories in the making… drug free!!!

  • matt October 11, 2014, 2:40 pm

    I have been off suboxone now for 12 days and I still feel really fatigued and have a lot of anxiety. I was put in jail and was taking only 8mg every other day for about a month. You would think that cause I was taking it for such a short period of time that it would only take a few days. Like all of you I just want to be normal again, but it feels like its never going to come.

    I tell myself every night… another day down… another day closer to freedom. AS long as we are willing to stay clean and actually want it, we can overcome this terrible struggle. I have been through this before and I can promise you that after about a month or so you will start to feel like your old self. STAY STRONG. WE DESERVE A CLEAN AND SOBER LIFE!!

  • John October 11, 2014, 10:05 pm

    Started taking Suboxone to replace “more addictive” pain meds in November of 2009. Tapered off from February to June of 2014. Reason was cost since I’m disabled from a drunk hitting me at what the police chasing her police termed as “a high rate of speed” years ago. Of course Geico insurance settled, promised to provide health care cost coverage and promptly told me they changed their mind and tried to sue us again after I settled. Thieves!

    So I could no longer afford it and had to stop, and man it is not easy at all. At times I wish I just stayed on opiates since Suboxone is a much harder, and so much more long lasting, withdrawal. I see a class action coming where Mass Tort A##holes make a fortune and the masses like me don’t get a dime.
    But I pray and ask for prayer. I’m in the beginning of the fourth month and I am struggling. But I will get past this. Wish I never heard of it!

    • Debbi October 16, 2014, 9:45 pm

      On our prayer list, my husband and I pray every morning. We have a precious loved one off oxy for about a week using 1 dose of suboxone a day and considering more than the 1 dose. Can you comment?

    • Niele March 21, 2015, 1:42 pm

      Detoxing from Suboxone is one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. I’m not pretending it was my preference. I took it for alcoholism & treatment resistant depression. I was kicked out and red-flagged by my clinic for a false positive for benzos (Benadryl, I think). Anyway, I never took my full dose, so I tapered down with my extras. I ran out at 1/32 58 days ago & I expected zero withdrawals. WRONG!

      Day 4-the usual opiate WD, diarrhea, sleeplessness, irritability, aches & pains-been there, done that. But, I’m just not quite right. I literally thought I was losing my mind. OK: series of crazy stuff happens & I have to get drunk & go into withdrawal before the psych hospital will admit me. But…the psych hospital gives everyone, but me, Suboxone. I’m flagged there too, it appears. I’m getting weirder & crazier by the minute & I’m in a psych hospital, being ignored or snapped at!

      Everyone agrees my continued presence is wasting everyone’s time, I’m discharged. At no time was PAWS mentioned & the lovely Buprenorphine expert didn’t even send me home with blood pressure medication, which I really could have used! Because things got real bad, real quick. My blood pressure and heart rate were so elevated, I thought I was going to have a stroke or heart attack. My anxiety & panic were so overwhelming all I could do was breathing exercises. I had NO energy; I didn’t change clothes for 4 days.

      I’m sooooo glad I came online & read other people’s experiences. I hate it that I have PAWS, but I’m glad I know I’m not exactly crazy! I feel a little better every day. Some things are even pre-sub better: food, sleep. My opinion of Suboxone has changed drastically. I thought it was a miracle drug, now I think it’s just another way these giant multinational corporations have invented to control the masses. Reckitt Benckiser made 1.5 billion last year. I’m glad now to be off of Suboxone. I feel free.

  • joe October 12, 2014, 12:48 am

    I have been off of suboxone for one year. I had been taking 16 mg daily for 10 years. Still suffering physical symptoms including mild RLS, allergy-like issues, occasional itching burning skin, extreme redness of the face (not blood pressure), and at times very mild withdrawal smell. Mentally feel much better, no depression but agitation under stressful situations. Some days feel great,than other days it comes back.

    All symptoms are improving though,so it do appear to take some time.I am abstaining from all substances except tobacco (and I suspect that the same is prolonging). I recently decided to try acupuncture detox. Soon after my first visit I felt great, then the following day, and next 2 days felt much worse. I have now completed 8 visits and always feel worse for next three days. This may be from detoxing remaining subs.

    After 2 months off subs I had complete labs done and showed impaired kidney function, extremely elevated liver enzymes, high blood sugar, and cholesterol. I have had lab work done regularly while on subs including one month before stopping same, but never any indication of problems. I have had three lab workups since and all are completely normal again. It appears that many people are different while getting off subs, so I can only speak of my experience.

    I am living proof that some have more difficulty getting sub out of system. I could go on and tell of all the problems while on suboxone, but I’m sure some others have suffered the same. All those issues are totally gone now. I still get a laugh at the alleged experts that to this day claim that it takes only seven days off and then clean. Within the 10 years on subs I refrained from use seven times and each time did not begin withdrawals until after 9 or 10 days. So for this expert it is truly taking time, but surely feeling better than on subs.

    • muff October 31, 2014, 5:34 am

      What is acupuncture detox? My friend has those sessions to help with pain from an accident. Perhaps your technician should include some acupuncture pain techniques into your sessions to assist with any pain you feel throughout subsequent days?

  • karen darvin October 13, 2014, 9:05 pm

    I am doing a new update. I know that nothing is worse but still have no appetite or energy. Trazadone is seeming to not work anymore. I am seeing my doc tomorrow and I plan to ask him if the trazadone is contributing to no energy. Depression might be slightly better but once again, it wears on the mind and seems endless.

    I hadn’t realized that Sub helped with depression also (not very well). I go to NA meetings mainly to get out and be around people, it helps. One interesting thing is I have lost my cravings for sugar. I will be taking a trip in about 2 weeks and I expect it to be a good chance to get away and be around people including my son! And they have watched the whole pill struggle so are familiar with this mess.

    I hope to start walking since they have 2 dogs and also an exercise machine. I truly believe the exercise aspect is important and I have to push that more. Also when I come home I want to start hot yoga again as they claim it sweats out toxins. If nothing else it will build up my core because I can barely sit up straight for long. So in conclusion, I’m a little better..one day at a time!

  • Mark October 15, 2014, 12:39 am

    I’m checking in once again Karen I love your comment I found that vitamins and B12 do help a little. After two months I have some pretty good days and then a few bad days so a little bit of improvement. Guys the main thing is that we went from pills to Suboxone. Suboxone has no high but makes you feel normal, but guess what? When you come off of it, bad crashes. I love this website it is so true, and so many ways with all of you let’s keep the good work going.

    • Nicole q. October 15, 2014, 4:54 pm

      I’m on day three, I have only been on 8mg. A day, for a year, but was on 20mg. For three years before that, my program doesn’t want me to stop cold turkey, but I don’t want to be on them the rest of my life like they want… I’m on my own but I know I can do it!!!!

  • Cherie October 19, 2014, 5:31 am

    I have been on subs for two and a half years. I had got myself down to 4mg then my doc insisted I go back to 8 last month and like a dummy I did. Now he’s just been suspended from medical practice and I’m one of many who are going to go into withdrawal unless we can find a new doc. Trouble is so many want cash and don’t take insurance. I’m thinking of trying to quit but I really can’t taper down as I have a quarter of one 8 left and three 8 mg strips a friend gave me.

    Don’t know how far down I can go … it’ll be fast…I heard the lower the slower as you taper but it’s going to be a bit of a jumping off. I’m nervous as I just finally got on a med to help with my depression after four months of hell and a leave of absence from work that has put me in the dog house. Not sure what’s going to happen, wondering if I can use short term disability while I go through withdrawal. I have Sedgewick as a disability company and they suck. They use every trick in the book to not have to pay. They paid me for the first month I was out for my depression, then nothing so I had to return to work in the middle of another med change. Anyone ever use disability at work for withdrawal?

  • Karen Darvin October 21, 2014, 3:48 pm

    It’s me again. I am losing track of the time I have been off of sub because it took awhile after I stopped for symptoms began. It feels like a long long time. I am able to get out and do some things each day but I don’t feel strong enough to stay out for a long time. I am watching way too much TV and lying on the couch, and in the evenings it’s pretty depressing. I would say my worst symptoms that continue are lack of energy, no appetite at all, and trouble sleeping.

    Of course I always had trouble sleeping and the trazadone did not help for more than a few nights and I am now going off of it. It makes me really dizzy all day and I think contributes to lack of energy. I am lucky that I don’t have to work because I don’t know how anyone could work feeling like this. I don’t know anything about disability but maybe the people who make the decisions about who gets it should read this whole thing about people coming off of suboxone. It’s no joke!

    I am curious why this is affecting my appetite. It seems like the trigger to be hungry is just gone. I have to force myself to eat, and although food tastes alright, or even good, I do not get hungry. The good part is that I have lost weight, which I wanted to do anyway. Still having mild nausea type feelings a lot. So Thursday I go on my trip, doing a part of the preparation each day because I can’t get it all together in one day. This is tedious… not getting any worse however.

  • Sherry Birkin October 23, 2014, 2:27 pm

    I’ve been taking 8mg a day. I tried to take one 5 mg a day to help with the symptoms but I stopped and don’t recommend doing so. Then you end up hooked on both… not pretty. I’m about to taper down. I tried cold turkey and I seriously thought I was going to die. I’m no stranger to this and have went off hydrocodone and was great in about 2 weeks. Make sure you stay hydrated with electrolytes, get over the counter medication for diarrhea.

    Going off suboxone is so much worse than any opiate (my opinion). Drinking Ensure is good if you don’t want solid food. Dr’s get people who already addicted and then they give you something even worse. Anyway, I’m beginning my path down this long dark tunnel hoping for a light at the end. Wish me luck and I wish you the same. I’m hoping I can be back to myself in 3 months. I’ll try posting through my process. Hope is your best weapon and knowing it can’t go on forever.

  • Sarah October 23, 2014, 10:03 pm

    You are all such strong people… I think suboxone is one of the worst drugs out there. Like a lot of you said, this is supposed to be used to ween people off of other drugs and turns out an even worse habit to kick in the long run. I am personally not a user. However, my boyfriend had been taking it when we first got together 5 yrs ago.

    I left him once for his abuse of the drug because I could see the changes in him, serious mood swings, violence, a desire to do more drugs or drinking, drinking on top of it made it worse. He cut back on them or quit, I’m not sure which, but we got back together and I would like some advice on what to do about my current situation. I believe he is back on them because I know they’re in the house, and he’s afraid to tell me the truth when I confront him.

    I believe he’s taking low doses due to his financial situation, but it seems to make him extremely hyper (given he’s already pretty ADHD), almost seems like he feels invincible, he’s moody to the point that he scares me, he can go from 0-100 in seconds, he treats the people that love him bad because he can’t control his need for the sub. Last week I know he couldn’t get any and he looked like he was so miserable trying to hide the withdrawals. He looked in severe pain, complained of chest pains, slept ALOT, ate very very little, MOODY, and completely lost his very high sex drive and stamina.

    He lost his job because he had no desire to work or get out of bed. After that week he went back to trying to be normal and I knew he had some in his system. Can anyone relate or please give me some advice or help me understand this drug and how to help him? He told me years ago how bad withdrawals were and how bad he wanted to stop. This drug has caused him some serious setbacks in his life, it has destroyed him. I just want to help him save himself.

    • Brandon June 5, 2015, 1:08 pm

      I am currently on Day 2 of my second Suboxone withdrawal. The first attempt was six months ago, and I lasted eight days. Your boyfriend is reacting EXACTLY like I do. It speeds me up and and makes me euphoric. When I don’t have it, I lose sex drive and appetite. I sleep a lot the first day or two, then can’t sleep at all. Without it I have zero drive or motivation. I don’t know how to help you, but I can relate.

  • Zappa October 23, 2014, 11:53 pm

    Hi guys, I’m about to start a taper from Zubsolv. Suboxone’s evil twin. I actually did cold turkey from Suboxone last year from 4 mg a day and it wasn’t all that terrible. It wasn’t fun, but definitely bearable. I had been on 4 mg a day for almost a year. I recommend Loperamide / Immodium. About 10 tablets every 12 hours took 90% of my withdrawals away. It really, REALLY worked. Just mild discomfort left. I’m not even nervous about this taper, because I know I have my friend, Loperamide. Google it for withdrawals. It’ll change your entire outlook. Good luck, guys. It’ll work out.

  • danyel October 26, 2014, 4:26 pm

    I am currently coming off of methadone and was given a four day wean in detox. First 2 days was a half a strip every 4 hours and second 2 days a half a strip every 6 hours then I stopped taking it. I stopped taking Methadone on October 7th and had to wait 72 hours to start my wean and then stopped the wean on the 15th. I have been completely clean since then, however I feel like sh#t. So my question is, its only been 11 days, so do I feel this way because of the meds even though I only took it for four days?

  • Pistol October 28, 2014, 4:18 pm

    I’m sitting her in the ER with my wife watching our son go through sub wds. Wow wee, way worse than H. He is about 8 days into cold turkey wd from 8mg subs. This is worse than when he went to detox for H. He was clean for 4 months and went on subs to help with craving as suggested by his rehab councilor. .. we were not really pleased with this decision, however our son is 26. Now only 4 months later, he decided he went on subs for all the wrong reasons and wanted off. He tapered down from 24mg/d to 8mg/d over 3 weeks… then just stopped while we were on vacation.

    It didn’t hit H hard until now. He didn’t even realize that the sickness was even from withdrawals…. wow. He was begging the doc for pain meds. Thankfully they didn’t give him any, but at least he is coming to understand that he is having the worst withdrawals ever. We don’t see anything good out of sub use at all. He was so much better off prior to ever trying this, and now he is even hard to reason with. WTF. God help us all.

    • Ryan November 11, 2015, 4:15 am

      Hi I’m Ryan 25 years old, been taking and 8th to a quarter of suboxone a day after coming off heroin. I’m on day 8 and I have a bad taste in my mouth weak and can’t sleep but very sleepy nonetheless. I wasn’t prescribed suboxone by a doctor just took it upon myself to go on it due to working third shift sanitation. I feel like hell and don’t know if I can get thru but I know that I can’t give up.

      It’s sad to see so many people my age going through this and no one hardly saying they are feeling better makes me want to go find half a mg just to feel comfy again. My girlfriend is also going through this with me although she doesn’t want to be clean. All I know is SUBOXONE AND ITS TWINS SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF MARKET! It doesn’t do any good if you don’t have it.

      Hopefully I don’t have to experience this for much longer because god knows how I feel about being normal and healthy again. If the taste in my mouth would go away, I would be much better. I hope all get though this as I need to. God bless all.

  • muff October 31, 2014, 5:31 am

    I was on 1/2 strip each day for yrs but sometimes didn’t take quite that much. And I ended up in the hospital for something unrelated. In there, there was no Suboxone nor was there a dr able to prescribe it. I was off it a total of 10 days and was more tired but didn’t experience any withdrawal symptoms. I’m not sure why. But maybe because I didn’t have a traditional addiction to opiates. But regardless of opiates, the Suboxone is what people will withdraw from (if they’re on it a certain amount of time) so if your main addiction is now the Sub, you may not have strong withdrawals.

    I think a lot of the withdrawal symptoms I think I have when I experience anything are in my head. My bf is a Sub dr and he described a patient who he gave imitation Sub to (they make it for drs to show pts as example) and he gave her some fake mixed with real. So she could taper off and not think she was going into withdrawals because part of the medicine was placebo. So I think a good amount of Sub withdrawals come because I think they’re going to happen. It’s supposedly very easy to taper from so do it.

  • zoe October 31, 2014, 2:52 pm

    I’m experiencing this right now. Kind of terrified. Not sure if I should go to a detox. Only on day two so I still feel alright. Just kind of off, and sleepy.

  • karen October 31, 2014, 9:15 pm

    I am commenting again with my update after trip to Ohio. Also in regards to comment by Muff. It was way better to be around people and have lots of interaction. I even helped unload a moving truck with other people and it felt good to get moving a little. I even had a small appetite. I noticed I still had a lot of anxiety and fear in the morning when I was the first one up and alone for a few hours. The anxiety and depression reappeared when I came back to Texas and being alone in my apt. So at t his point I would say that these continue to be my main issues.

    Since I already struggled with depression, this may not be a problem for everyone. I hate Texas and am only here because my mom is alone and 84, but she lives in a senior residence and I have my own place. I go visit her a lot and it helps but at the same time one of my fears is getting older and seeing the health problems people can have. I always thought I would stay active and healthy, esp with hot yoga, but right now I am not able to motivate myself and it adds to the anxiety. And I know that I just have to go to yoga and stop thinking about it!

    One thing I am worried about is that I have had to continue to use Trazodone to help me get sleep, it often doesn’t work well, but it makes me dizzy when I move in different directions, so I don’t want to keel over in yoga! Another symptom that is lingering is the semi-nauseous feeling that really messes with me. So, once again, moving forward one day at a time,still a little fear that it will never end although I know somewhere inside that it will. As for Muff and the comments that it is in our heads, yes I have wondered the same thing, but it isn’t. Too many people are having the same reactions for it not to be real. You are lucky if it didn’t happen to you, but many of us were on narcotics for a long time prior to suboxone as well.

  • desire November 2, 2014, 7:31 pm

    I’m a week in and I want to die. Kratum seems to help for a hour or so but I’m not sure if I’m lying to myself. I would much rather be coming off of opioids then this sh#t! Kill me now!

  • Charisma November 6, 2014, 8:14 am

    Congrats to you all that have survived the PAWS! I’m at day 60 now and am pretty stoked! I decides to just jump off 4mg I’m so glad I did no research, I just decided I was addicted to codeine for 4 years and on Subs for 2 and 1/2. Also struggle with alcohol addiction. The first week was hell, lethargic I felt plastered to the floor not sure how I didn’t die of dehydration. I also stopped drinking too and thought this was from that.

    Although had detoxed from alcohol before and found by day 4 energy is fully back, by day 6 I made a call and got told how silly I was for stopping them both and stopping subs. I honestly had no energy to even get to the doctor and live alone. By day 9 I had a massive anxiety attack and my counselor said that I had to go get back on subs as they keeping me stable, she said get a cab, phone a friend just get to the doctor! I was crying as there was no way I wanted to go back on to subs!

    To my surprise when I got to my doc he refused to write a script and said give it a few more days and you’ll come good! This made me happy but lost as to how I was feeling he prescribed some Valium to help with anxiety and sleep! My sleep has improved dramatically now although I still need an afternoon nap. Compared to those first few days I just slept 23 hours a day! I still experience restless legs and if I drink alcohol it def makes it worse, sneezing has improved but still there and runny nose, I take a fever tablet for that.

    Nausea is good some days other days not so good, some minutes I feel great and then the next minute I’m bawling my eyes out, that’s why I decided to research now, to see how long these symptoms last for! I still suffer from diarrhea depending on what I eat, fatty foods make it worse, more bland foods seem OK! I’m so glad this first few weeks are over, I worked the first week and have no idea how I did it then I took 10 days to recover. I really hope anyone out there reading this all the best in living a healthy life, and stay clean. Don’t give up when it gets tough because each day gets easier.

  • Les St. George November 20, 2014, 3:20 am

    I have just hit the 72 day marker with no opiates. I got hooked on suboxone 2 1/2 years ago. I have never done pills or heroin. I bought suboxone 8mg strips. One strip lasted me 2-3 days. I’m doing good and have not had bad withdrawals, but the depression sucks. But I refuse to go back to that stuff. I want my old life back. All that stuff did was make me enjoy being alone. This is hard, but going through life depending on something is worse. I challenge anybody using to get help and realize that being normal is a better time.

    • Heather July 23, 2015, 3:19 am

      So true buprenorphine and opiates make mundane loneliness endurable. How much more gratifying to actually deal with the physical and psycho-social issues that brought us here in the first place.

    • Jon August 21, 2015, 8:14 pm

      My situation is the same. I’ve been using Suboxone for around 2 1/2 to 3 yrs now with the last 3 months using tiny amounts from one 8mg strip. I hate thinking about it now TBH especially since I wanted to finally relieve myself of that substance that I honestly figured I’d be able to take for the rest of my life. It’s been 5 days since I’ve taken any, and like most, my symptoms didn’t start until day 3.

      Yesterday, day 4, was a weird one for me mainly because I felt much better the majority of the day and thought it was due to my consistent exercising, mostly cardio. I thought that all of my sweating lately from working out would be a tremendous help. I haven’t noticed any major changes but I figure there definitely has been some change and it’s for the better. Reading all of the comments it doesn’t seem like anyone else if affected by the cold/sweats? That’s my biggest fear, that I’ll wake up in the middle of the night with that crazy amount of sweat on the back of my neck driving me mad.

      Sorry if my thoughts seem kind of jumbled, it’s been almost six days without any Suboxone and I’m trying my hardest to sweat this crap out of my system. I plan on going to the sauna today for at least 20 minutes with a gallon of water next to me. Been reading everyone’s comments and it doesn’t seem like anyone has mentioned this? Is going to the sauna on day 6 too much for the body? Thank you, and good luck to all of you getting free of this substance.

      • Joe0123 June 9, 2016, 10:43 pm

        Honestly man, I think it is not a good idea for us now… When I had a smaller habit, back in the day trying to detox from like 40mg of oxycodone a day I did this, and it really only gave me like an hour of relief, the relief after you get out and shower and enter the world, then back to misery and MORE sweating. Particularly on the sub at least with this WD I find myself forcing water down my throat, and Gatorade and I know I’m still dehydrated because of skin impressions and urine color (excluding vitamins).

        If you must do it, drink like at least 80oz of water or gatorade type fluid a day, it might help a little to flush out toxins in theory, but realistically I don’t think it can magically pull the bupe off your receptors. It’s not extracted through sweat, and you are taxing the organs that actually do extract it.

  • Tim November 21, 2014, 12:45 am

    Hi all, I was an opiate user for about 6 years and went to inpatient rehab to get off if once in for all….after day 2 I was in a living hell and then they gave me my first dose of suboxone (I had never heard of it up until then). I thought it was a miracle drug, oblivious to the fact that there would be withdrawal from subs. I’ve been on 16mg/ day for 6 yrs now.

    Today my Dr. told me he was cutting me off b/c I’ve had Valium in my system (I started getting horrible panic attacks shortly after taking the sub’s). He gave me one last prescription for 30 sub’s of 2 mg. From reading all the posts, that doesn’t seem like enough to properly taper. I’m absolutely terrified of what lies ahead. The opiate withdrawal was absolutely horrific, I can’t even imagine a worse/much longer withdrawal to deal with. I’m scared to death but appreciate all the posts and support on here.

  • Mark November 22, 2014, 1:32 am

    Hello to all of you it’s Mark again as all of you know we absolutely were duped into taking Suboxone we had no idea the withdrawal from subs would be this bad. I’m almost at 3 months without subs the only symptoms I have left are the sneezing and some drowsiness. I have certainly improved so to all of you hang in there.

  • Mike November 23, 2014, 7:10 pm

    I’m on about day 20 of w/d and it has been hard. I still feel weak and irritable and I feel bad cause I don’t have the patience and energy to deal with my son who just wants to play. I jumped off cold turkey from 4mg because i ran out and my doctor is in CT and I moved to FL. I’m 22 years old and married and I could say suboxone just suppressed who I was, even my libido was gone from this crap.

    Everyday I feel a little better though. Sometimes I wish they would just stop and I dwell on finding some but all it does it set you back another 3 days after each time and it adds to feeling negative. Your mind has A LOT to do with the severity of the withdrawals so just stay strong. The worst part for me is the restless leg and not sleeping well. I feel like I’m going to snap sometimes.

  • Ian November 24, 2014, 9:53 am

    I was on Subs for 3 years. Tapered from 4mg sublingual to .25mg (little sliver done with razor blade). At .25mg, I stopped. First 1 few days were not enjoyable. Felt very much like a mild heroin withdrawal, all symptoms felt about 1/4 to 1/2 of what being dopesick was like. I definitely felt better when I ate and I took vitamins everyday. As I kept up this regime, I continued to improve mentally and physically. I kept hydrated.

    I used a treadmill while watching WWII movies and documentaries endlessly. I felt great on the treadmill or expending energy. It also made it easier to sleep(maybe 4 hours, but much better than none). Eating and expending energy seemed to do the trick for me. Bananas help with the restless legs I think. Potassium probably…? I even helped chop up a tree stump!! A few minutes after stopping, I’d feel like crap again, so I’d go until I couldn’t go anymore and the I think exhaustion just set in and took it’s toll.

    I think once you can motivate yourself to get moving, you will find that you feel much better than just sitting there and letting it take its hold of you mentally and physically. I know people who’ve had to kick subs in jail and dealt with all the drama there on top of being in withdrawals. Be glad you are not in that predicament)although it’s easier from a mental aspect there, from what I’ve heard). Understand, ultimately, that withdrawal eventually will end and if you own it, embrace it and make it your last experience in that hell, you will be more powerful than you can possibly imagine and nothing in the world can stop you.

    I allow myself to enjoy life as I am in control(of me). The burden lifted is a high in itself to this day. If you are of sound mind and body, you are still able to enjoy the fruits of what this world has to offer. Those fruits are not enjoyable to those who constantly have to worry about being dope-sick or worrying if they will come up positive on a drug screen and cut off by their Dr. or their dealer gets busted.

  • audioj November 27, 2014, 1:53 am

    Here is what I recently discovered about withdrawal or paws from subs. It has taken a year off suboxone after 10 years on subs to discover what is prolonging PAWS… and without a doubt it is two substances: (sugar and/or caffeine). I can feel fine and almost totally normal, but shortly after any sweets or caffeine, on comes the mild withdrawal smell, agitation, and that damn red face. As long as I stay away from these, everything is fine. Trust and hear this people, as it has taken me 1 year to discover. You can feel normal again after suboxone.

  • Adam November 29, 2014, 7:14 pm

    I was injecting pills and heroin for years. Got on suboxone for about a year, taking 3 strips a day for whatever reason. Lost a job, couldn’t afford to go back to the doc. Ended up almost losing my mind I felt so bad. Ended up going to a psych ward and a 30 day rehab. Was clean for almost 2 years. It was relatively easy getting clean there. Sleep meds, anxiety meds etc.

    I let my addiction get the best of me again. Went on a bender the past 8 months. Got a few subs and did a rapid taper. I’ve been off of them for about 4 days and it’s been pretty mild for the most part. I keep going through phases where I feel better, then feel like crap again. I’m done though. I can’t do it anymore. Being clean is way better than constantly wondering how and where you’re going to get something. Or going days or two withdrawing and then getting high and starting the whole cycle over again.

  • jlayt December 8, 2014, 7:57 am

    Day 5 is when it starts. And then you better hold to your hat because thas when it really kicks in to the point of going freaking crazy you just want to die!!! All I can say is that it is the worst feeling a person cold ever had. I’ve tried to come off of bup 4 times now and I always go back on it, Good Luck!!!

    • Tara August 4, 2016, 3:37 am

      Hello I wanted to reply to your comment because it’s sounds a lot similar to how I feel. I’ve been on suboxone for 4 & 1/2 years now 16mg a day and I’m to the point where I’m exhausted from having to depend on it everyday. I have a son who I love dearly and with this crap I can’t be the best mom I am wanting to be for him.

      I’ve been thinking of getting off suboxone since I found out I was pregnant but I was told staying on it is better for the baby because withdrawals could harm him. I’m stuck in the place where I want to be done with this stuff but have so much fear of being weak and not sticking it out which will lead me to back track. How are you doing now? I’m just curious.

  • Sarah December 8, 2014, 3:01 pm

    I took subutex for over 6 years tapered to less than 1mg then stopped totally. It is now day 8 and I still feel fatigued, sweats, have trouble sleeping through the night, upset stomach, and depression. I am getting so frustrated! I am a single mom and I chose to stop because I want to set a better example for my children, but this is tough. It is impossible to physically do what you need to do as a parent much less work with out pushing yourself. I think I actually made myself physically sick with a stomach virus and the flu (diagnosed by a doctor) which made it even worse I think. I hope I start an upswing soon. This is why I hadn’t quit before!

    • Tara August 4, 2016, 3:41 am

      Hello I am a single mother too and been on suboxone for almost 5 years. I’ve been to the point lately where I want to get off this crap so I can stop depending on it to function everyday and give my son a life he deserves. Yes I love him and take care of him but I’m an addict and my mind gets the best of me. I want him to grow up seeing me happy and completely sober (no suboxone) but I haven’t found the strength to start tapering because I’m scared of how long withdrawals are. Have things been improving for you? I hope so and best wishes to you!!!

  • Felyne1987 December 13, 2014, 3:50 pm

    Day 8 suboxone wd. Age 27-Family of 6. Never used much but small amounts. Like 1-10th of a film. I’ve been on this self medicating journey for almost 4 years with different opiates starting with percocets which was giving to me after giving birth. I thought they were a godsend since i suffered with anxiety and depression to begin with. Never took a whole lot, but did them consecutively. They made me feel normal.

    The anxiety, depression and overwhelming feelings of doom are unbearable. I wake up everyday with the worst of all the feelings. I feel like this will never end and my family is suffering having a shitty mother. My niece whom is 15 has lived with me for 8 years helps me with everything around the house and with the kids. My husband who is 55 also helps a lot and works a hard laborous job.

    Lots of stress around here. (3 young hyper, temperamental and rambunctious boys). I’m prescribed ativan and have taken it for 6 years. Also now prescribed adderall. Still don’t feel well. It doesn’t always help much. Thank you for your informative and beneficial info. I am alone in support with all of this so I do appreciate everything I’m reading. When will I be okay? When will I feel part of this world again?

    • Karen Darvin December 21, 2014, 10:38 pm

      Yes, you will get through it and feel ok again. I have been meaning to write again on here to let people know that you can make it through because I did. It isn’t easy but each day after a certain point it does get better. Give yourself about 3 months with things evening out after about 2. I know that it is probably more difficult with young children, if there is anyone to help you that would be nice, if not, do your best. I will be 60 on Jan 6th and this is my birthday present to myself!!!

  • Lindsey December 13, 2014, 6:28 pm

    Wow. These awful stories about the withdrawal off of suboxone are terrifying. I’ve been on the sublingual film almost 3 years. Prior to, I was heavily addicted to narcos for over 5 years, taking them as if they were Candy. But I have decided to TRY and get off the subox & spoke with my Dr, she said there’s no easy way to detox off of it, I will feel the effects no matter which attempt I try, tapering or cold turkey which makes sense. The past 2 days I went without subox. The 2nd day I had to take at least a quarter because my anxiety and my regular dosage time, I would feel as if I had to have it. I’m not gonna lie, I’m scared. I don’t feel like I’m strong enough mentally to go through with the whole ordeal. I pray things get easier in my life as well as everyone else.

    • Tim December 16, 2014, 3:25 pm

      Lindsey, I’m in a very similar situation as you and I’m just as terrified. I came to theses boards for encouragement and advice (and there’s plenty of that from a lot of good people here) but I ended up being way more nervous after reading a lot of the posts…it’s cliche, but truly focus on getting through the next day, hour, minute. It helps not thinking about how bad you might feel in a day or a week. So much of getting through this is mindset…you never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have…good luck Lindsey!

      • Lindsey January 19, 2015, 9:56 pm

        Thanks Tim. I am on day 13 of my Subox detox and although everyday is getting easier, I still crave suboxone. I had a few restless nights. Now it’s all mental, and that’s the hardest part. I was prescribed comfort meds like gabapentin & methoxycarbonyl which didn’t help much. Anyway. It can be done with strong willpower. Every day gets better.

  • CaseyRay December 14, 2014, 4:15 am

    Wow, I seriously thought a week or two after weaning off I would feel better, but I am going through every single one of those symptoms…the restlessness is the worst, and I can’t sleep. This stuff got me off the opiates but it’s almost as bad now.

  • Justin C December 16, 2014, 7:38 pm

    Hi everyone. I have been on subs for about a year and two months. I started at with a 8ml strip, got really sick and was told by a friend to cut them in pieces. Well after all the tapering I end at cutting a 2ml strip into four pieces. This is my 2nd day off and I feel like crap, but not totally dead like most of you. I’m at this point scared that I haven’t even began to feel the real WD. The thing that sucks is I have to be upbeat and happy guy all day because of my job. So now I just wondering if my doc is filling me full of sh*t or not. My doc has me on this high blood pressure meds and I’m taking my 20ml adderall pills to help with the no energy. What I’m most terrified about right is my doc promised me the withdrawal would only be for a few days. What should I think about that and am I going to start feeling worst before better?

  • Tim December 17, 2014, 2:13 pm

    Hi all, just wanted to post my experience. 6 yrs heavy opiate user/6 yrs on suboxone. Over the past 2 weeks I tapered down from 16 mg/day to 4/2/1 mg/day. Sunday morning was my final 1mg dose so I’m right at 72 hrs with nothing in my system. I thought there would be no way I’d be able to make it, but I’m doing it. It’s not easy but it’s absolutely doable if you have the right mindset and willpower. Getting through the days are hard and the nights even harder (for me).

    What’s helped me a lot is working out before and after I go to work, drinking lots and lots of water and taking advil pm at night. I’m still battling hard and I only sleep in 45 min stretches through the night but I’m making it through and I’m determined to keep making it through day by day…But positive mindset, plenty of fluids, exercise and keeping yourself busy will make this experience not nearly as bad as you might anticipate. Good luck to all in the same boat.

  • Cassandra December 22, 2014, 2:22 am

    So I’m on day 21 and still withdrawing off suboxone. I was on 1 8 mg strip a day for about a year. This is the worst withdrawal I’ve ever been through and I’ve been an opiate addict off and on for 14 years. I was just wondering if anyone has a clue how long these headaches and restless legs are going to last. Or if there are any non-narcotic medications I can take that aren’t going to cause me more problems.

    I went to a rehab in West Palm Beach and I left after 14 days because I was so irritable I was being such a bitch and I think if I stayed their I might eventually want to rip somebody’s head off and I have never felt this way before. I go see my doctor tomorrow and was wondering if anyone can give me a few suggestion on what has helped them. I would appreciate any comments regarding suboxone withdrawals. Thanks.

    • Tim December 23, 2014, 5:59 pm

      Hey Cassandra, I’m on day 9 and to be honest it’s not any better for me than days 1-8. I’ve also been super irritable and moody, totally out of character for me. The worst for me is the no energy whatsoever and inability to sleep. I’ve been making myself workout a lot, the 2 hrs afterwards are pretty much the only time of relief I’ve had. I’ve also gone to some AA meetings, lots of people there can relate and are incredibly supportive. For sleep, I’ve tried everything, benadryl worked a little bit, not too much though. Good luck, keep fighting.

  • richard December 26, 2014, 3:01 pm

    I’m a professional therapist that trains throughout the country – substance abuse and mental health agencies. I admire your courage and commitment to make difficult choices to quit. Your willingness to share and be honest and is a help to others. Stay at it and if knocked down get back up. Continue to seek support, we all need help in whatever struggles we face. Persevere even when the motivation or feeling is lacking.

  • Jeff December 30, 2014, 4:16 am

    Been taking 16 mg of subutex a day for 4 years I started cutting my pills in half & only taking 8 mg for 2 months then I cut them into quarters taking 4 mg a day for 2 months now it’s been 6 days without taking any subutex at all & the WD haven’t started at all yet!!??? I’ll check back in a week & give everyone a update. All I can say is I hope the WD are not as bad as I have read it the comments above! Wish me luck!!

  • Chris December 31, 2014, 4:04 am

    Hello all…I wanted to share my story as I thought if it could help just one person, it would be worth it! I have DD disease and SI joint pain due to one leg being shorter than the other. With that caused a lot of pain. I was prescribed Percocet for the pain from my pcp. Oh what a relief that drug gave me, but in the long run was the worst treatment I’ve ever received. After a year and a half I started to realize my “pain” getting worse and I would run out of my meds early. Towards the end I ran out a week and half early, not knowing the withdrawal that drug caused. Long story short, I checked into a treatment facility to detox. They did give me the relief I needed, but it came with a price. Suboxone!

    The medical director was a big advocate for Suboxone. Yes, it helps people. However, not everyone is a canadite for that medication. Do your homework! Also remember, the majority of the Suboxone docs have a vested interest keeping patients on that drug. That doc gets to ring that cash register every month due to DEA guidelines. Meaning he/she has to see you every 30 days. A Suboxone patient is no different than a prescribed Percocet, Vicodin, patient. I know I’m rambling. Sorry! The point of my story is do your research before committing to another serious narcotic because you will have the same withdrawal if you choose to get off that med as well.

    My Suboxone withdrawal experience (currently day 4) was not as hard as all the blogs and message boards suggest. I think its important to tell you that I’m 6’3″, 205lbs male that started on 12mg daily 8 months ago to .5 mg last Friday(last dose). I know now that if I didn’t self wean myself, my doctor would still have me on a high dose. IF YOU TRULY WANT TO GET OFF SUBOXONE, TAKE CHARGE OF YOUR WEAN AND BE YOUR OWN ADVOCATE. I felt every time I stepped into my doctors office I was just a check and the longer I saw that doc the more money he made off my “addiction.” That was my motivation! I urge you to find yours :).

    Within the last 4 days, I have experienced some restless legs, body aches, fatigue, anxiety, and low motivation. Number one reason I feel I have sped up my detox was keeping a POSITIVE ATTITUDE. I mentally prepared myself that yes, it wasn’t going to be easy, but is anything easy? Good quote, “if it doesn’t challenge you, it won’t change you.” To physically help with my withdrawals I ate a banana every 1 or 2 hrs, exercised, hot epsom salt baths (my go-to for body aches), drank a lot of Gatorade, and took clonidine.

    Clonidine started today (day 4) and I really felt a difference with my anxiety and restlessness. Could just be because it’s end of day 4 and finally starting to turn the corner as well. Again, keep a positive attitude! In addition, force yourself to do the things that came easy while using Suboxone or pain killers. Meet up with friends, clean your house, take a long walk, just get out of your house and do something! The faster you can do this the better! In closing, don’t sike yourself out with the negative posts on these message boards! Prepare your mind that this will be the best decision you ever made!

    I don’t know about you all, but when a doctor sees you’re on Suboxone, their wall goes up! I don’t like being judged just like every other human being! In addition, getting different treatment plans based on my association with that medication. Let’s all take charge of our own destiny and not let doctors determine how we feel! Good luck!

  • Greg December 31, 2014, 4:31 am

    Hey everyone, I have been the original on and off pain pills only guy for 12 years. The last 2 years has been only subutex. Started with 12mg a day the eventually went down to 8mg. I made the decision to get my last script and took half a day for a week, then half every other day for about 3 weeks, then down to a qtr every 3 days for 2 weeks. Was a fast drop, but I’m on day 20 and feel better. Still have occasional goose bumps and bad twitches in bed. But overall, I’d say motivation and pain was my biggest issue. But I got BAD migraines on the stuff. Ever since I stopped, not a single headache. Telling people about it will make you feel better mentally. Just know that you are being stronger than most of your inner circle. So talk to them. Because it helps to tell someone how miserable you feel sometimes. Thanks

  • Stephanie January 7, 2015, 11:01 pm

    I have been off of Subs for 38 days. Never could get past Day 9 without going back on them. This time I was determined. The wd’s were horrible for 14 days. I then could see a gradual improvement each day. Now the only WD symptom I have is fatigue. I am sleeping well, but still feel drained by midday. My life is so much better off of this drug. I actually can “feel” again. No longer am I numb to everything life had to offer. It feels great. Hang in there. It does get better. Listen to your body and take care of YOURSELF! Something I never had done in the past. I’m taking a B complex vitamin and drinking protein shakes. Seems to help. If I can do this, anyone can. I was terrified of the wd’s. Wish I had done this sooner. Good luck! It can be done!!!!

  • Tequela January 8, 2015, 1:55 am

    I truly want everyone to have a better reaction to the withdrawals. Treating the withdrawals like a cold or flu is the best way to deal with it. Taking alka Seltzer night time, liquid or pills help with the withdrawal and you barley even feel the withdrawals, you get good sleep and eat, and have enough energy to get you through the day. Also exercising, eating fruit and getting a herb called “happy go lucky” helps to enhance the endorphins causing less depression. Please post this because you will be helping a lot of people, its been tried and it truly works. Thanks and God bless.

  • LastBreaths January 9, 2015, 12:08 am

    Long story short, I’ve been on Subutex (8 mg 2x per day) for 4 months now. Half of monthly script was stolen, so I’m out. 2 weeks until next doc visit. It’s been 4 full days without it. Withdrawals are tolerable at this point. Tired. Unmotivated. Depressed. Muscle aches. Today, I’m plain angry (and I’m not an angry person). Severe mood swings. Lashing out at everybody. Contemplating suicide just to bring me peace. My question: Am I in the early stages of w/d? Will it get worse (like when coming off of opiates)? And is the anger/mood swings normal? -Ty

    • Stephanie January 10, 2015, 10:06 pm

      Ty-What you are feeling is normal for wd’s. Suboxone has a long half-life, 37 hrs. so it stays around for a long time. You might not start to feel severe wd’s until after Day 4. That was my experience. They were horrendous until Day 14. After that, things started to improve slowly. I’m on Day 41 now. Still having fatigue and no motivation. If you are truly suicidal seek help.

      And know that your symptoms will subside. Surround yourself with family or friends, get outside if you can, talk to a doctor that won’t put you back on the subs. Maybe an antidepressant to help with the depletion of neurotransmitters. Suboxone also acts as an off-label antidepressant. So your lethargy, depression, etc. is completely normal. Hang in there. You can do this. It is worth the pain.

  • Joe AA January 10, 2015, 9:49 pm

    Hey my name is Joe and I came off this medication on December 21st. It took me 6 months to wean myself down from 24mg/6 to 2 mg and it wasn’t easy. I’m aware today that I need help. I found my help in the rooms of a “fellowship” where I found some of my best positive friends. After 2 weeks I started being able to sleep again and the anxiety and depression left me. My mind is clearing up and I was hit with a wave of beutiful emotions. Life is great and I am free from the clutches of this devil medication.

    My only lasting withdrawal s at this point is that my feet are cold and I sneeze like a mad man. For anyone considering getting off this medication it is so so worth it. You just have to wean yourself down and make sure you have support. And I’m not talking about the Dr who has prescribed you the medicine. They want you to stay on it so they can continue to line their pockets while you stay a zombie cut off from your god given emotions.

    Life is beautiful today and I believe there is a special place in hell for these Dr’s who prescribe this medication for years verses the month it’s intended for. Feel free to email me if you need to talk. Someone was there to help me, and if I can help you, I will. Just remember the pain you are going through is worth the freedom that comes from being at peace of mind. I was a zombie for 3 1/2 years. Good luck -Joe

  • Allen January 12, 2015, 12:16 pm

    Just finished reading all the comments. Why didn’t I read this b4 I decided to quit? I’m in my 50’s & became opiate dependent about 10 yrs ago. When the various doc’s I was seeing all seemed to simultaneously decide it was time for me to be cut off I panicked. Found a subs doc quick & thought all was well & in theory could have been but I made some bad choices & now for the past 3 yrs I have been on an opiate & subs roller-coaster. I decided to quit everything several months ago & tapered to 4/1 MG subs for 6 weeks b4 quitting.

    Last dose was 7 days ago & now I just wanna die. It’s all I can do not to start bawling as I pen this…& I’m a retired marine who doesn’t have much experience with active sobbing. God I’m soon sad. I want to kick this & never do it again but even after dealing with difficult & sometimes almost impossible situations for 24 yrs I feel bested by this orange strip that melts under my tongue. Doesn’t seem fair. At any rate…I wanted to share. Some of the previous posts have been inspiring.

  • Mike m January 12, 2015, 10:52 pm

    Okay I have done extensive research on this. From what I know is tapering is best!! Once your done with the taper the first 7 days you sweat out the remainder (I suggest either steam room or sauna). Eat healthy, take vitamins, talk about what’s bothering you and have at least one person who knows and had been there for you to talk too. You can do this I know it!

    To fully heal it does in fact take between 30-90 days but the process can be rapidly increased with large water intakes, exercise, and eating as healthy as you can. Don’t sit in the couch and mope get out go for a walk and the energy will come back trust me. You’re not debilitated for life you’re just getting back to being you the real you not the fake drug using you that secretly hates yourself. Be strong fight this sh*t outta you!!!

  • Stephanie January 13, 2015, 1:12 am

    Joe- I am always up for words of encouragement. And love to hear from those that are ahead of me in days off subs. I am on Day 43. It’s been a struggle. I feel like I am never going to feel quite normal. Some days are good, others I don’t feel like doing anything. That is the most frustrating. Trying to eat well, exercise and taking B vitamins. I am sleeping well, but still wake up and feel drained. the thought of going back on subs has crossed my mind more than once. But I know where I’d be relatively soon. I’ve made it this far and don’t ever want to go through withdrawals again. Hopefully this will get better soon. Fingers crossed!

  • Allen January 16, 2015, 12:46 pm

    Hello again. A quick update. My last dose was 12 days ago & I feel significantly better than I did even 4 or 5 days ago. For the record I think that Mike’s comments (just a couple above this) are spot on! As crazy as it may sound you gotta get up off the couch & move!! Trust me…I know that goes against every reasonable thought you might have, but I am beginning to believe that the more you do…the more you can do!

    For me personally I noticed a slight improvement on day 10 so I started trying to live again & there was no doubt that the more I did the better I felt. I know that I am by no means out of the woods but I believe it was Churchill who said ” this is not the beginning. It’s not even the beginning of the end, but it may well be the end of the beginning.” I take solace in that. Keep up the good fight!

  • Robert January 16, 2015, 10:41 pm

    I’m going through it now. Day #5… horrible chills during dead of winter too. Not eating not sleeping. Night sweats. Restless legs and arms. I’m crippled so I cant walk much. I want to be clean. Doctor lied said easy to come off… just stepped down slowly, and I did as instructed. F this suboxone. Horrific drug. No more! I will fight!

  • phil January 18, 2015, 10:51 pm

    Day 36 off suboxone. I am 44 and I have been on subs about 5 years. My Dr. Prescribed 24mg daily. I never took the full 24. I would take 8mg daily and bank the rest. So after a few months I would have almost a years worth. Saved me from paying a Dr. Every month. About 2 years ago I found a Dr. that took insurance. So I stopped banking. 3 months ago my Dr. said he will no longer be prescribing subs. So we decided this may be a good time to get off. Getting down to 2mg a day was not that hard. Going from 2mg to 1 is where is got hard. Mostly tired.

    My last trip to the Dr. I told him I was on 1mg daily. He told me that was a very low dose. That I should cut that in half now. All I heard was very low dose. So I jumped at 1mg. I wish I read up on jumping before I did. I started to read about it on day 8 or 9. But at that point I was committed. I would have tapered much more. Day 2 through 20 were horrible. It felt like my head was in a vise. Dizzy, no energy, no sleep. Lost 15 lbs. Day 21 I felt a little better. However feeling a little better still sucks when you feel the same for the next 12 days.

    So today is day 36. For the past 3 days I feel a little better again. Still no energy, not much sleep, sneezing 3 times for the most part. Again feeling a little better is still not all better. I have been very dizzy for 3 days. Clonidine helps a lot if you can get them. Helps with the anxiety and if your lucky 2 hours of sleep. Hot showers, exercise if can force yourself. Eat what ever you can again even if you force it. Stay away from sugar and caffeine. They make me feel like I was in the first two weeks.

    I missed 3 days of work this whole time. I had no option. I dread sunrises. It is starting to get dark now and that is making me anxious. Tomorrow is Monday and it looks like it is going to be 5 more days of hell until i get a break. One place I read said within 40 to 50 days you feel better. Others say 60. If this dizziness would just subside I think I could handle it much better. We made our beds. I leave with never again do I or will I go through this. Good luck all.

    • Roberta hanson August 24, 2015, 6:33 am

      Thank you for publishing this. My pain doctor says it is in my imagination and has never suggested this method. I am desperate.

  • Jen January 19, 2015, 12:43 am

    Hey, I wanted to join the thread. I’m on day 6 from the subs, been on it for 18 months. The catch 22 factor is that I started pain meds legitimately for chronic pain due to some bad car accidents and it got out of hand. Long story short, I got on subs to avoid trying to get sh*t on the streets and god forbid any more arrests due to drugs. Was on the here to help program and it ran out. I refuse to be locked up again. On subs it helped but eventually I could not afford it anymore, It was more expensive to see the doctor and get the subs than my rent (LOL).

    I just took a 4 hour nap. (Day sweats) I was up for 2 whole days. I’m glad I am not alone. I went to the store earlier and bought multivitamins and benadryl for sleeping. I had tried benadryl but it didn’t work for sleep so far, it almost seem to do the opposite. I heard about a legal herb called kratom helps. I was thinking about ordering it. Being that it is illegal in Australia, I am surprised it is not illegal in the U.S. Anyway, tired of being in bondage sounds like you guys are too. Thanks for letting me share and read your comments.

  • Stephanie Estep January 20, 2015, 9:08 pm

    Today is Day 51 off Subs. I am starting to feel better. Finally started working out again. Running, weights and yoga. Hadn’t been able to do this for WEEKS. I definitely have more motivation and energy on the days I get a good work out in. Endorphins? Maybe. But the w/d symptoms have lasted way too long. I read that you should give yourself 90 days to feel “normal.” I’m beginning to think that I fall into that category. But, I am doing everything I can to feel better faster. I can now sleep through the night. The aches are gone, the RLS and hot/cold flashes are gone. What I’ve been left with is lethargy and lack of motivation. Suboxone is absolutely horrendous. It’s a b—- to come off of.

  • OffSubs January 21, 2015, 9:49 am

    HERE IS THE CURE FOR SUBOXONE WITHDRAWAL…KRATOM!! Do a Kratom taper, 90 days of you must Kratom is a natural leaf that is a very mild opiate. It will not get you high, but will completely eliminate ALL of your Suboxone withdrawal symptoms. Kratom can be addictive, however the withdrawal from Kratom is practically nothing. It has a very short half life and you will barley have any symptoms. You just have to take a lot of it. I’m 8 days off subs and I take 5 grams of Kratom every 6 hours…I have had NO withdrawals.

    On Saturday, I will taper down to 4 grams at a time every 6 hours. Basically every two weeks I will lower the Kratom dose. It works. It works on any opiate withdrawal actually. You will have energy, you won’t feel depressed or anxious, no aches, no diarrhea, no chills, nothing. Make sure you get the Kratom from a reputable vendor…I get mine from online Kratom. Some will accuse you of trading one drug for another but the Kratom doesn’t get me high at all and its 1000 times easier to kick than subs. God bless and good luck.

  • whoisjohngalt January 23, 2015, 7:39 pm

    I have to agree that buprenorphine (suboxone,subtex) is the hardest opiate medicine to come off and possibly the most difficult drug I’ve ever come off period. This is my second attempt. The first time I made it 8 months but had a back injury 30 days in and ended up going back on a low dose (less that .5mg since last December). The disk injury was somewhat severe and I had nerve damage to where I couldn’t lift my left leg. I made it 8 months.

    However, I still had symptoms of what I presume to be PAWS with extremely low energy, muscle wasting, and hormonal disruption up until I chose to go back on and that was 8 months in. I don’t have a thyroid so perhaps that fact had something to do with the hormonal issues. I am a long term user of Subutex and was placed on a “maintenance dose” in 2008 for opiate addiction. The settled dose was 8mg and I was on between 8-6 for about 5 years. When I decided to come off, I did the research and tapered slowly over a year.

    I got down to less than 1 mg and jumped. I did this on my own as my doctor stated that I should just stay on it the rest of my life. The first 30 days are the worst as far as classical opiate withdrawal. Expect the real crappy days to begin around day 5 or 6 and last through around 16. For me, those days were very difficult. I many times needed to lay on a cold floor while my heart raced violently. Don’t expect to sleep much. After 30 days, the nausea, sleep, sneezing, diarrhea, hot/cold swings, mood swings, irritability will have passed for the most part.

    It will come in waves. One minute you will feel “ok” and the next you will feel like hell. If you are one of the unlucky individuals that experience PAWS well then your journey has just started at a month. I had all kinds of issues. I will say however, mentally I felt better than I had in years. I was laughing, crying, experiencing joy. These are things I could not do while on Subutex. On this second attempt I started back on a super small dose to begin with. .5mg to .25mg works wonderfully for pain and I realized through this process just how powerful this medication is.

    Remember it is 20 times stronger than morphine. I stayed on that dose for about a year, skipping days and playing with lower doses over a long period of time. I am day 6 and am ok. I hope that by tapering even slower and down to an amount I can’t quantify that I will spare the PAWS. If you are a long term user, my advice is to taper very very slowly. I read about people who can’t taper because they can’t control titrating down.

    I don’t have that problem. Less is more with buprenorphine. It’s very difficult to find information of anyone who has been off suboxone or derivative over a year after having used it long term. I hope this helps those coming off or wishing to come off. Buprenorphine is an emotion killer and a b*tch of a drug to come off. Be patient and don’t rush if you don’t have to.

  • Mel January 28, 2015, 8:38 pm

    My story may sound kind of stupid. I’m 23 and my entire life I have watched my mother battle drug addiction. I always said I’d never touch the stuff, I might try it but I could never be addicted. So last summer my daughter’s father came over and talked me into doing a piece of suboxone with him. It was the tiniest piece and it made me sick, but great at the same time. So I ended up taking more and more each day. Compared to all of you, my struggle is probably nothing.

    I’ve only been on it for about 9 months and I can take about a whole pill a day (I’m not even sure what MG it is). Today is day three without anything and I’m depressed, I’m on the verge of crying right now, my body aches, I’ve got a heating pad around my aching muscles. I am breaking out in cold sweats and hot flashes, I’m irritable and I want to die. I had NO idea what was happening to me until I read this webpage and everything that’s happening to me is right here.

    What makes it worse, I am completely alone. My mother would snap if she found out, so I have to keep it a secret. Nobody knows I was on it, and nobody knows that I’m suffering right now. It is SO hard going through this and trying to hide it too. I’m hoping that since I was on a low dose and not even on it a year that my WD symptoms will be gone very soon. Oh and the first day I noticed feeling different was yesterday. I am a college student and I couldn’t sit in my classroom for more than ten minutes at a time without jumping up and leaving.

    I just couldn’t concentrate and I couldn’t stand the pain from sitting still. I had to move. I hate myself for getting into this, I hate everything at the moment. I just cannot believe, ME of all people, is going through this secretly and since its a secret, I can’t get anymore so I am stopping cold turkey. I feel so sorry for all of you that have been dealing with struggle. I can’t imagine being addicted for years and then stopping. I just hope in a few days when I am around suboxone again that I won’t cave in and go through this sh*t again. Best of luck to all of you.

  • jed February 4, 2015, 7:36 am

    So here’s how I am doing it. I began tapering for the last year plus from 24mg per day. Last September I began a spiritual journey through Tai Chi. I was down to about 6mg at time. I say about because I was really trying to get to 4mg a day but… I finally had the courage to ask my Honey to help me. I knew if I involved her then I had to tow the line. Somehow becoming involved with Tai Chi I was finding some inner courage, I really don’t know how else to explain it.

    So I really wasn’t making much progress, finally after Christmas, my Honey helped me get to 2 mg per day. It was a tough drop. I continued to work everyday though, I am a carpenter a pretty physical job. The biggest thing that got me through that is My Tai Chi Master also practices acupuncture. So consider the energy of his chi at the tip of the needles. It was very helpful in minimizing withdrawal. I continued to draw on my inner strength.

    My Honey said one morning as was expecting my 2mg dose that she had left it at work and all I had for the next three days was one dose. I was pissed and as you can expect I acted out over it. She held her ground and didn’t give in. Took me a few days and I was able to apologize, and say it wasn’t her fault it was my own. So I was only allowed 2mg every other day. I disagree with anyone who says that withdrawal doesn’t start for three days.

    Before the night was over I could feel sick then I had to go a whole day feeling sick. And so on. I found this website and read your comments as you shared your experience strength and hope. I realized that there was probably no perfect place to jump off. So after two weeks of day on day off I had had enough. So I stopped totally 15 days ago. I tell you it’s everything everyone said it was.

    I am so happy that I have quit. I’m 63 years old and have dealt with addiction my whole life. The most recent began a few years when I was hit by a truck while riding my bike. Gave me a nice supply of oxys which turned into a raging addition. I thought sub. was the solution. It’s not, it was a big mistake to even begin. A lot of comments that have been shared on this site tell the real horror of this stuff. I would suggest find a spiritual path, ask for help, acupuncture from a real professional can also be a big help.

  • concerned wife February 17, 2015, 6:24 pm

    My husband had taken suboxone for about 7 years. He has had a lot of stomach issues while using the suboxone. He has stopped using it for about a month now and is still very nauseous every day. We are trying to determine if the nausea is from the withdraw. Does anyone know if nausea from withdrawal can last this long?

  • Allen February 19, 2015, 1:56 pm

    Dear concerned: you can absolutely have those issues 30 days later. Sadly you can have them 90 days later. Subs is maybe the worst drug anyone could ever prescribe. 7 yrs is a long time to take it. You have 2 real options…#1. Gut it out for the next month or two, possibly longer or #2. Go back on the subs. If he was taking it for 7 yrs one would assume either chronic pain or abuse issues. Some people with abuse issues may need to be on subs their entire life in the same way some alcoholics need to take antibuse their whole life. Good luck. Hope this helped a little.

  • Mark February 20, 2015, 7:28 pm

    Look…I’ve done this many times. This time I used opiates daily for 2 months, it was time to STOP! So, I started taking suboxone only for about the last 6-7 weeks and MINIMAL amounts. One 8mg strip lasts me 4-5 days. I stopped about 48 hours ago. With these minimal amounts I “should” be able to make it through this quite easily. Still have appetite but my sinuses are out of control and I kick the sheets till bout 5 am then I pass out for 3-4 hours.

    I gotta think if I am getting sleep 2 days after stopping (again after a taper) this time it’s not gonna be that bad. Here’s some helpful tips: STAY HYDRATED!!! As much as you don’t wanna drink water force yourself, it flushes opiates out of your system faster. Take a multivitamin because your immune system will be grossly compromised. Go to the Dollar Store and buy like 20 boxes of generic Imodium AD. Take like 10-12 tablets after you have diarrhea. There is a Opiate in Imodium so it will stop the diarrhea and also make you more comfortable.

    Ask your doctor for 10mg Proprananol, it’s a blood pressure med that will also make you less anxious. Also for Neurontin 200 mg 3 times a day for restless leg and leg pain. Then, also get some benadryl for sleep at night. If you can get ambien or trazodone or both for sleep that’s great too. Also I recommend an antidepressant for the depression that’s definitely coming! Keep your mind busy. Try to get outside for fresh air and STAY BUSY. The more you are focused on something else the less attention you will pay to every little ache you have! -Good Luck & God Bless.

  • Karen Darvin February 22, 2015, 5:19 am

    OK I have made it through and come out the other side, so you can too. I don’t even think about subs anymore. Depression, lack of appetite gone… One thing I cannot do is sleep except around 3 in the afternoon. I have tried trazadone and it is pretty useless after one or two nights. Getting some energy back finally too. If you are just beginning, stick it out. So nice to not be trapped by another drug that isn’t even fun.

  • Mark February 23, 2015, 12:24 am

    Update: Day 8. I actually slept last night 6hrs!!! With 2 benadryl, and an Ambien. Back to work and school tomorrow. This has cost me everything in my personal life but I will not look back. The worst is over! Stomach is a little queasy and I’m restless but I’m OK. Very thankful. One word of advice…TAPER.

  • helena March 8, 2015, 1:59 pm

    I can’t believe all the w/d symptoms I’ve heard about only now that I’ve been on sub for over a year. I weaned myself down because the doc I went was more interested in payments than recovery. I brought myself down from 32mg to 2mg then slivers for a week then stopped six or seven days ago things weren’t bad til yesterday…I’ve been throwing up having diarrhea and no energy. My brain got foggy two days ago and that comes and goes! I can’t believe this poison is prescribed the way it is and the docs get away with making us worse then we were.

  • Ellen March 9, 2015, 8:05 am

    Omg! I never thought I would ever have made it to day 8 on the suboxone detox. Reading others posts, I am amazed that people jump off suboxone at a high dosage, like 2 mg, without weaning down to a sliver of the film right before your ready to detox. The first 2 days were manageable, with by the night of the 2nd around bedtime the muscles in my arms, back and legs were all spasming, plus my anxiety started to kick in and the withdrawals were full on. All of the rest up until now have been the worst. This has been the hardest thing I ever had to do. But I am still alive, alive but sick as **** but I am determined to get off this sh*t! You have to be strong and know that it will get better.

  • SarahJ March 11, 2015, 9:38 pm

    I was addicted to subs for over 4 years. At first I thought it was a miracle drug, but obviously there is no such thing. I used opiates for many years and was so happy to be away from that. I too was told you don’t have withdrawals with subs. What a crock. Almost two months off and still have some anxiety and because I have legitimate pain. I have been trying hard to stay away from the strong stuff and use Tramadol instead even though it does nothing for the pain I have. I actually need surgery, but with no insurance I don’t see that happening anytime soon! Just glad to be off the sub roller coaster!

    • Mary Beth March 13, 2015, 11:28 pm

      I’m in the same boat with pain and I’m on day 2 of quitting sub. I started taking this for pain reasons because it worked better than any pain killers…half of a suboxone took away my pain where’d I’d have to take a ton of say lortab 10s to get rid of the pain completely. I’ve dealt with the pain before all the time because before suboxone, I didn’t take pain killers everyday. Because I haven’t been in pain for the past two years, I know it’s gonna be worse, and I work a labor job. The heating pad is my best friend! It’s the only thing that’s not a narcotic that helps.

  • rossman313 March 20, 2015, 11:38 am

    I believe the taper excuse is just that. An excuse to stay on suboxne longer. I been clean 100 days now and by the time I left rehab (30 days impatient) I felt almost 100 percent when I left. I’ve been on suboxone and other opiates for six years. Just suboxone the last four. And I’ve always said the last two years I got to wean down. I came off 10 milligrams a day which everyone says is not doable. A couple years ago I tried coming off less than one milligram and the withdrawals were just as bad. The difference was going to rehab. If I would have detoxed at home like the first time I would have failed. Meetings also help. It’s not a cult. Just a place to vent.

  • gail isms March 23, 2015, 1:03 am

    I lost 3 days of my takeaway dose of 6mg subbies 2 days ago and was inspired to do some research as I wasn’t feeling too bad but knew it couldn’t be that easy and understood about long half-life business. I’ll be back to the clinic tomorrow and back on but wanted to write to thank those people who keep coming back here to report as they detox off this scary but useful to me at present pain relieving medication. If it weren’t for those of you who stick around to let others know there is an end to the pain and misery of withdrawal so many people would just stay stuck.

    I am going to start weaning this week. At least here in Australia we have a public health system that means we are never suddenly withdrawing because of lack of money. Doctors (not all but many) are cost free. After growing up in a country with such a system I am shocked and horrified to read what happens to people like me in a country without it. All best wishes and encouragement to all you brave folk. I promise to come back and share my story when I get off it.

  • Michelle March 23, 2015, 10:09 am

    I was on 12 mg of Suboxone and I took myself off cold turkey. I was only taking it for 4 months. I was feeling like total crap for 7 weeks!! I feel pretty much back to normal now. At least better than I was feeling when it all started. I really wish I never started this shit. I found out I was pregnant, so I stopped. So going through the first trimester if my pregnancies AND having withdrawals?? LOOK OUT!! Haha OMG, I felt tired ALL THE TIME. My mood swings were through the roof and I didn’t feel like doing a thing.

    I did though, when I had to that is. I was forced to. It DOES get better, albeit I don’t recommend anybody doing this cold turkey. I had to because I am pregnant. Just hang in there. Even I thought this was gonna last FOREVER. It feels like everyday is just going by as slow as bloody molasses, but one day you’ll wake up feeling pretty good and it will just get better from there. I’m so damn happy I stopped taking this drug. I wish I would’ve just dealt with the withdrawals from “regular” opiates.

  • david March 30, 2015, 3:05 am

    my 2nd time trying to come off suboxone. first time I felt better after 2 months but I had no energy and was depressed. 3 weeks in this time and have been taking lortab to help with W/D. Doctors lied and said the W/D was better with suboxone than lortab so I started the suboxone. They were so wrong, now instead of a couple weeks W/D on lortab, it is months on suboxone. Doctors should be locked up for this!!!

    They would rather give suboxone than give you lortab due to the social stigma of lortab. But suboxone may be good for the stronger drugs, not for a lortab addiction. Also I think that it is possible that the blocker in suboxone would also cause W/D or make it worse. I also find that group therapy is nonsense and would only cause someone to want to take drugs just to deal with it.

  • charles April 1, 2015, 10:36 pm

    Well I’m 7 days into my withdrawal from subs. And I feel like crap. My wife has bought me a whole bunch of vitamins and supplements and I have been experiencing the chills anxiety, and worst of all is the insomnia. I was using these pills for about a year and was giving a random drug test at my job and now am unemployed. I’m done with the pills, just want my life back and of course my job. I wish this on no one.

  • Rando April 10, 2015, 3:13 pm

    I Was put on sub in 2010 for chronic pain (disc herniations, 6 total legit pain) I have to say… f*ck this sh*t. Tough it out. You KNOW you deserve a little punishment… we ALL know deep down how bad suboxone is. Aren’t you tired of chasing this sh*t all the time? Don’t you want to be free? Please don’t take offense – this is just everything I WISH someone told me, maybe it will help someone else. It’s a mindset. Trust me, I’m not that strong but I’m free… so maybe you should listen.

  • BK April 13, 2015, 7:57 pm

    Grateful comes close but doesn’t fully describe how amazing it feels to finally be free from the clutches of Subutex! It’s been 4 months, one of the most difficult, drawn out experiences I’ve been through (the first 2 months were pretty rough) but at 50 years old I now feel like I’ve got a new life (it’s much easier to wake up and get going in the morning without them) and so much to look forward to.

    I’m surprised to still get the yawns, sniffles & occasional ickies (and the passing thought that subs used to take care of that) but I know this too shall pass…I wish anyone on this journey many blessings!

  • Tam April 19, 2015, 5:05 am

    I have no idea why someone would want to be on suboxone for so long. I took percs for 3 years. Was prescribed suboxone in October. Unlike most people I didn’t get sick when taking both suboxone and percs. I have been on just suboxone for a month and a half now. I refuse to be someone who is on suboxone long term. It’s been almost six months and I am going against my psychologists suggestion and am getting off of suboxone. He feels that I should stabilize on subs before getting off (I rarely took their recommended dose of 4mg twice a day).

    I say, I got this! I’m down to 2mg a day. Next week will be .5-1mg. Following week I’m off. You’ll see. I expect withdrawal but I know its also mind over matter. Your mind is an incredible thing. You can think yourself ill just like you can think yourself well. I got this!!! Just gotta always remember that everything is temporary and being strong is our only option. There’s always a positive side to every situation and how much more positive does it get than being sober?

  • Stephanie April 24, 2015, 9:09 pm

    I haven’t posted anything for a while. I have now been off of subs for almost 5 mos (145 days). I have never felt better. The first 3 months were really difficult, but each day got a little easier which is what kept me going. It is definitely worth the pain to be free of the drugs. I am no longer fixated on making sure I have enough narcs to keep me from going into withdrawal. I can now focus on other aspects of life. Hang in there. It does get easier!!

  • Tom April 25, 2015, 4:48 pm

    I thought I’d chime in here with a bit of positivity. I took 8-12mg Suboxone daily from 2006 to 2013, first to treat a nasty Vicodin addiction, then to help with my depression. When I got off it after an accelerated taper (meaning I didn’t cut down at the rate the Dr.’s wanted because I’m a drug addict and that’s what we do, take more than we’re supposed to) I went through an ugly week.

    Typical nasty opiate withdrawal, but no worse than it was with Vicodin. Absolutely nowhere near than what I went through with Benzo (Xanax) withdrawal, which was so bad I checked myself into the ER because I thought I was losing my mind/dying. It helps, in a strange way, if you’ve been through opiate withdrawal before – you know what is coming and how bad it gets. That was the part that scared me the most with Benzo withdrawal – I had no idea where the bottom was.

    Anyway, my point is that Sub withdrawal is different for everyone – don’t psych yourself into expecting 6 months of horror. It might not be that bad – wasn’t for me and I was on it for a long time. TIPS – That said, it’s still no fun, no matter what. I suggest the following:

    -Extend your taper as long as possible and do not attempt cold turkey unless you like pain.
    -Try to have as much free time as possible while w/d’ing…it’s obviously not a vacation but trying to get through a day of work that first few days is hell.
    -OTC meds – NYQUIL (watch out for too much Tylenol), Benadryl, DXM all helped me.
    -KRATOM – If you don’t know what it is, Google it, but trust me…this stuff is a lifesaver. One time I was in the midst of the worst of the w/d, drank a big cup of strong Kratom tea, and felt 99% normal. It’s gold.

  • Pèdro May 20, 2015, 11:35 am

    I’m on Day 11. I would say that this drug is the hardest thing to come off of, slow, painful and not only mentally depressing, and physically draining. I would say that this drug is one of the hardest things to come off of, given its unusually large half-life. I will tell you what, I have been through a lot of sh*t, cancer included. The amount of self-discipline you must have throughout the detox and following months is something that is truly a challenge.

    All of these excruciating pains and unbearable times of restlessness when I want to sleep are a true force to be dealt with. I think these withdrawals could be implemented into torture tactics. Feels like a slow death, especially the first week. When the acute withdrawal effects first take place my energy levels were so low that I can barely get out of the bed. And I am 29, healthy, and other than this I have no current illness. As I went in to day seven, I began to feel a slight difference.

    I got a little bit of energy and did some stuff around the house, I think it’s a matter of dealing with the how slow the process is transitioning your brain’s neurotransmitters back into good natural health afterward. This is my second time quitting because three months into my last quit, I f*cked up and did some Opanas. Needless to say that got me right back on the subs afterwards. These past 10 days has made me feel like an idiot for getting back on it, I have not felt great at all, but I am now starting to come around a bit.

    I have been getting out in the yard to do little projects, it is the only thing that makes me feel better, moving around and being in the sun. I am really irritated with the way I feel mentally, I feel unlike myself. I feel like my sense of humor is not all there, like my personality is not all there. I remember last time quitting and feeling decent after about 30 days. I think a workout regiment to build strength and vitality is the number one way to regain your old self again.

    Don’t start too early into your quitting phase, you will have muscles so sore that you don’t know what to do with them, but it is good to walk around and do casual activities to loosen your muscles up. A warm shower does miracles, as does a massage. It’s not easy, but just think of the green grass on the other side. I know sometimes it doesn’t seem like it will be better, but I guarantee if you grant yourself the discipline to conquer this, then You wont regret it.

    My number one piece of his advice is to steer clear of any substances that might steer you back into the sub direction. Just realize ahead of time that this is like the saying “betcha cant have just one,” because you can’t and you’d be foolish to try. I wish you all the best of luck and hope that you can stay disciplined to get through this terrible experience and get to the other side. Stay Strong.

  • James Martin June 4, 2015, 1:38 pm

    This is one of the hardest things I have ever done but it’s worth it, finally got the demon off my back.

  • Barb June 19, 2015, 2:29 am

    My daughter is on day 4 of withdrawing from 1.5 daily of suboxone. She is continuing to take her depression and anxiety meds. She is reporting fatigue, body aches, chills and sweating. She feels pretty crappy overall. She was on the suboxone for about 9 months. She is also drinking Gatorade, taking ginseng and B12. I am hoping some of the symptoms get easier to handle soon.

  • sober bound June 20, 2015, 6:06 pm

    It’s so comforting to get on here and feel that assurance that I’m not the only soul on Earth dealing with this crap. Thanks to all who share on here that share my suffering, and best of luck. I’m 48 hours in, going cold turkey, off 2mgs of subs for about 6 months. I was prescribed 16 mgs a day, but knew the Dr was all F’d up giving me that much. I managed my own dosage from day one, and never more than I knew I needed.

    THE DRS LOVE OUR MONEY GUYS. JUST LIKE OUR DEALERS DID! It’s blowing my mind to read how they ate prescribing 16 plus mgs to a 21 year old for a 6 month opiate addiction. WTF man? It’s BS. You have to be smart. There’s the old you still inside all of us and getting completely clean beats being suboxone’s little b*tch any old day! I can do this! So can you! Hang in there! Peace!

  • Brian June 26, 2015, 10:26 pm

    I’ve been off of suboxone for just over two weeks and am doing fine. I still have fatigue in the middle of the day but I’m a merchandiser/sales rep so it’s a lot of work. I was on it for roughly 2 years and slowly tapered myself the past 6 months. Don’t get me wrong it wasn’t easy but for anyone who is struggling it will get better, symptoms will fade. Your life starts here. Stay strong and good luck in your recovery.

  • Stephanie July 7, 2015, 1:05 am

    I have now been off subs for over 7 months. Can anyone tell me if it’s still possible to feel wd symptoms this far out? It happens occasionally. I’ll get achy and start craving the subs. I can almost taste it. Would love any feedback! Thank you.

  • Laura July 11, 2015, 5:53 pm

    I’m hoping that this post helps. PLEASE READ!! I was on narcotics for 15 years. Herion to start then methadone and lastly subutex and suboxone. I never thought that I would be able to kick this horrible medication but somehow I did it, while working full time and taking care of kids. I had tried multiple times to kick it but couldn’t keep up with it all and didn’t want to half ass my life while being sick while having to take care of everything else. I believe what worked for me was tampering off slowly. I started taking it every other day, and this is the kicker, VITAMINS!!

    I started taking B and C every day, walking and running and drinking water. I would wake up in the morning and not even need it. The only thing that bothered me later in the day was some cramping and a few restless nights. That was the worst of my Withdrawal and it only lasted a little under a week. I don’t know how it all worked out but it did and I am extremely grateful. I hope this has helped. Tapering off, vitamins to help boost your immune system and water and exercise. After 15 years off this crap, if I can do it anyone can. Good luck.

  • Heather July 23, 2015, 1:55 am

    Try to remember many of us who withdraw from buprenorphine after using it for long periods, had chronic pain and depression prior to starting opiates. Life is mind over matter but when you are in the black tunnel of time called withdrawal and Paws and before your brain chemistry can repair itself, relying on a zen like approach is easier said than done. Exercise, vitamins and proper nutrition help. Spirituality is extremely important, 12 step included and also general social community of a positive nature.

    The question becomes which came first the chicken or the egg. Learning new coping strategies is important and accepting that we had good reasons to trust our doctors. Wish more long term controlled studies existed but enough people on buprenorphine for long periods exist to compile a data bank. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Time heals health habits help and psycho-spiritual assistance help. One day at a time!

  • annie August 14, 2015, 10:47 pm

    The newest and best way seems to be to cut down 25% every 4 days till you get to .5mg. Do not fear cutting the strip as 2mg is too high a dose to come off of. If you do not understand the issue with subs is that is has a very long half life so we never get it completely out of our system. Now here is where things differ slightly (.5mg) mark.

    My MD is having me do .5 one day skip a day then .25 skip 2 days, .5 skip a day then .25 skip 3 days until you can get to the 4th day. Once you are comfortable at .25 every 4 days for 12 days, you should have minimal physical symptoms. Depression, anxiety, and such will always be the case with us addicts and we should have an alternate plan in place with our doc for those issues regardless. Good luck and I hope this helps. Annie – used subs for 6 years on 24mg dose…feeling awesome but still have chronic pain.

  • Brian August 24, 2015, 2:14 am

    I feel for each and every one of you! I was on Suboxone since 2010 and was given 24 milligrams a day. I was on it for 5 years and the dr never asked me if I wanted to come off. I just don’t have time for all the doctors appointments and drug test. The doctor used to give me a 90 day supply so I was hooked really good. I got sick of taking all the drug test so I started tapering myself off. It’s been 3 weeks since I haven’t taken a thing and just started to be able to sleep well. I suggest if you’re on it, slowly taper yourself off. Stay strong everyone!!!

  • bill August 24, 2015, 3:25 pm

    I agree. This has been hell on earth. On it for 7 years and last 6 weeks of taking medicine I tapered down to 1mg. I am 53 and obviously it has to be a lot more demanding on my body then a younger person. It has been over 2 weeks and I am trying to beat this thing with faith and nutrition but the sleep deprivation is becoming almost debilitating.

  • Igor August 28, 2015, 11:01 pm

    Hi everyone, greetings and clean days for all of you! I on my 9th day off subutex, feel like sh!t but determine to cleaning my self from this horror drug. I used it for one year, started with 2 mg climb to 4mg and 8mg. At the end I find myself trying to take 32mg at one day and fill nothing… Crappy situation, I know… But I struggle all alone through this nightmare, praying for a better day… Don’t use this drug!!! Only with professional docs that want to help you (not to do money on your arse) just don’t use it!!! This drug has terrible detox…

  • Billy August 30, 2015, 8:20 am

    Hi everyone–its almost 3am central time and can’t sleep. Was mislead to believe that just like a diabetic needs insulin an opiate addict needs subs and possibly for life. I am 53 and have been on the medicine for 7 years. About 6 months ago I was taking 1-8 mg strip per day. Prior to that I was on 2-8mg strips per day. About 8 weeks ago I decided I no longer wanted to be handcuffed to any meds because it started to mimic and bring up bad memories of “running out of lortab” days and constantly having to “keep inventory”.

    In an 8 week period I tapered from 8mg down to 1 mg in equal increments with my wife acting as the pharmacist and dispensing to me according to the titrate schedule. Let me mention that the recovery group I had been associated with never followed up once following the writing of my final Rx. It has been 3 weeks since I took my last dose and I have to say that the 1st two weeks were nothing short of hell on earth. Now the good news–the last week has been SO SO much better. (Even though I am having a restless night tonight).

    Finally for the last 3 days I have felt wonderful. The clarity is incredible and I am experiencing sensations I have not felt in years. My suggestions are this: 2 weeks prior to jumping off start taking a multi vitamin on a daily basis and hydrate heavily with Gatorade or Pedialyte and stay away from caffeine. Week one will be tough but continue with vitamin, hydration, exercise as much as possible (even if its from the couch to the kitchen that’s OK), and make yourself eat as much as you can and as healthy as you can. This is important.

    Second week after jumping won’t be much easier or different, however your appetite should begin to improve and your energy should begin to increase. You should make the effort in week 2 to force yourself to exercise (but don’t over do it) because you will still be dealing with some “restless leg syndrome” just from your muscle atrophy from 2 weeks of being relatively inactive. During week 2 force yourself to drink some sort of protein or meal replacement drink every morning. This will help with the rebuilding of muscle &subsequently help with restless legs.

    If you would like to know the protein drink I used email me & I will let you know. I am not wanting to advertise any product and lose sight of why I am writing this. Week 3 everything stays the same however, you should increase your exercise level as much as you can, (including sunshine a much as possible to help with vitamin D levels), eating larger portions of protein rich food, socializing with family and friends as well as other recovering addicts. I was never big on going to meetings after my initial 6 week intensive outpatient treatment because the subs were controlling my cravings.

    However, during week 3 and probably for the next 8 weeks or longer if you would like, try to go to at least 1 AA or NA meeting per week. It did me wonders because I ran into several people dealing with this exact issue and the comfort it gave me was immeasurable. In closing, hang in there because the end result is worth it. Treat your minor aches and pains with Tylenol or ibuprofen and most importantly put that whip away and quit beating yourself up.

    Chances are you were not informed about the withdrawal effects of subs when you were put on them s pet of your recovery. The only thing I was told repeatedly was that “you will know when you are ready to stop taking subs”. Really? Good luck and god speed and this is by no means scientific but simply my attempt to help anyone going through what I have and still am pushing through. YOU GOT THIS!!

  • Thomas September 1, 2015, 1:01 am

    I’ve been on Suboxone for almost 7 years. I am confident that I don’t need it anymore. I have an amazing therapist. I go to NA meetings. I have a sponsor. Life is better, and I’m final ready to let go of the Suboxone. However, it won’t let me go. I’ve tried so many times to get off it. I’ve only lasted a couple weeks each time. I work and go to school full time. It’s near impossible for me to function under these circumstances.

    I’m in major need of encouragement. Most of the stories I hear about weaning off Suboxone are not success stories. I’m working down to 0.5mg/day. When I jump down to 0.25mg/day, my body can’t handle it. The withdrawals begin there. Any advice?

  • Rossman313 September 4, 2015, 5:38 pm

    I’ve been off all opiates since November 5th 2014. I had a six year addiction to vicodin, heroin, and suboxone. I’m on no medications and I don’t drink at all. I would never have thought that me of all people could overcome the addiction I had. It’s been a long time since I’ve had even the slightest urge to take a pill or get dope. Anyone on here who wants to kick subs can do it. It’s not easy the first couple months are extremely hard and you’ll probably think about going back because of the hell you’re feeling. However, the reward is definitely worth it to just keep going through. It gets greater later. I’ve been almost a year clean off everything and I would never even consider going back to subs or any opiates. Anyone who truly wants it, you can do it. If I can, anyone can.

  • Chris September 9, 2015, 6:48 pm

    I started taking massive amounts of codeine 25 years ago and ended up taking about 100mg of suboxone over 10 years, gradually reducing down to a maintenance dose of 0.8mg daily for the last 4 years. The doctors in charge of this maintenance dose decided (for some cash) that they don’t do maintenance doses anymore so about 3 months ago stopped the proscription and told me withdrawal would take a few days but don’t worry its only a small dose.

    And then 3 weeks later my world collapsed. I thought I might as well be dead. The withdrawal was truly awful. Everything listed for the symptoms above I went through, from the flu to the pain. The worst for me was the night, trying to sleep was awful, The muscle spasms were unbelievable and this went on for weeks. Then I had a real bit of luck I read this website and realized they had lied to me.

    I took this page to my doctor and after reading it she was horrified. My wife confirmed to the doctor what was happening so she started to look into suboxone withdrawal for herself. Thank god for her, she proscribed a Parkinson medication called Ropinirole. It took a few days to get the dose right for me(10mg daily) but it worked to stop the nightly terror. I have been off suboxone for nearly 3 months now and have just gone back to work and feel OK nearly.

    Don’t take any nonsense from the so called experts they don’t have a clue. Go to your GP and get some help, and read everything on this page over and over. I hope writing this down will help someone get off this poison, educate yourself and good luck.

  • blytk September 13, 2015, 12:09 am

    I was on it for five years. Tried to quit several times, cut my films into sixteen pieces and still got sick quitting. I did deep research and read the company’s prospectus. It started that if could take up to two years for the brain to rewire. Fact: This drug is only another addictive drug being sold to make money. Shouldn’t be on the market. All you can do is fight the symptoms. Sweating will get the medicine out of your body quicker but the damage it done your brain could take up to two years. I say fight it. It’s worse coming off of then dope. I’m on day three trying to quit again. Four percs so far to help with the edge. It’s working. I quit.

  • scott September 16, 2015, 8:53 am

    If you do a TRUE slow taper, you can literally walk off Suboxone. I’ve done it twice…once was on it 3 solid years. You can’t read into all the negative posts or you’ll drive yourself crazy & freak yourself out. There’s plenty of people that slowly tapered and walked off Suboxone forever and never looked back. You don’t hear about it as much cause they’re out living life, not reporting to message boards. I’m not minimizing the people’s pain from the comments above, but I promise you if you do a slow taper…you will be fine.

    Suboxone really is a good clean drug if you take it the right way. Me personally..I don’t see how anyone could ever need 24-32mgs. I think that’s a little bit of that addict behavior still. I think 8mgs should be the max. But thats my opinion. I’m not a doctor. If you’re on 8mgs…go to 4 mgs for about 10ish days. Then to 2 mgs for about 10 days…then 1 mg, .5mgs, and .25 mgs before you completely stop. This all varies on body type. But I know it works and its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be if you taper the right way. Good luck!!

  • Subs a lie October 1, 2015, 4:27 am

    Jumped off 24 mgs, after 11 years, cold Turkey for 32 days and still a MF! Hardest thing you will ever do. Banged H for 15 years prior, quitting that was cake compared to the Suboxone Lie/ Detox! How to do it? If you are like me and were on 24 mg for 10+ years and just jump! Plan on nothing else but a minimum of a 30 day WAR! Bad WD kicked in hard at 5 day mark and persisted hard until day 19, now keep in mind I’m 46, but workout like a MF, played college football and train 5 out of 7!

    I did not train the first 7 days, could not. Get your ass up, no matter what, day 7 and train! YOU WILL NOT WANT TO. Walk, crawl, don’t be weak! Remember I jumped cold turkey from 24 mg after 11 years and I am an old MF! It sucks to no end! But suck it up. No excuses. RLS, no sleep, panic and anxiety are the enemy here. I slept a total of 8 hours the first 18 days, mainly due to RLS, stomach issues and anxiety, but it will not kill you and you have to get pissed off and be mentally strong.

    It is a f—— marathon, not a sprint. REMIND YOURSELF OF THAT EVERY MINUTE! Accept the pain, you have to! I had no pain meds, anti’s, benzos, sleeping pills, etc. I’m still alive, but still pissed! And I live only 3 hours from Reckitt B. in Richmond Va, MF’s. if this sh#t ain’t right by day 90, I’m gonna take a ride and visit with their R&D and see how they like me, but we will cover that come November ’15, if need be.

    Anyway, day 32, still a MF! way better then the first 3 weeks, but “come on man’, enough is enough. I have been training, 2-3 times daily, 2 hours cardio and 1 hour of Cross-fit, 5 out of every 7 days and this sh#t won’t leave my body, still! No bad physical WD anymore, just not a single endorphin, despite all the training. 120 grams of protein a day, 4 gallons of H2O daily, multi- vitamin, B-6, B12, melatonin and valerian at night, branched chained aminos daily (Met-Rx), etc.. Still nothing!

    Anyway, f— it, I’m all in and I’m gonna ‘Beat me out of Me’… Thanks, Kurt Cobain. I’ll keep you all updated, and like I said, come November, if this sh#t ain’t right, I’ll pay a visit to Richmond, from all of us! P.S. Buy a foam roller and roll your legs out all night, 1 inch per second and stop where it hurts till the pain diminishes by 50% or more. Then, if you can’t sleep, don’t fight it, get pissed and keep fighting!

  • karen darvin October 10, 2015, 6:27 am

    Checking in slightly over a year later. I’m OK now, so yes, the withdrawals are worth it in the end.That is the main point. I have ever gone back to suboxone. I still have not forgotten the whole experience, so I do come back and read new comments and try to be helpful. This site helped me quite a bit, there was no where else to go. I am glad to see that this thread continues on. I think that it is important to remember that every individual will have a different experience. But it is not easy for most of us and it’s important to remind everyone that the symptoms are real…it is difficult.

    It can and does feel hopeless, it seems impossible. I remind myself and others that our brain chemistry has been messed with for a long time since usually an opiate addiction was there before the suboxone. This drug did give me the ability to put some distance between the drug use and obsession. Unfortunately I was led to believe that there was no consequence and of course there was. So continue to remove yourself from this drug, a year later and you will be OK if not sooner. We are stronger than we think. If you found this site you can do it!

  • Lauren October 19, 2015, 2:01 am

    I am on Day 15 off suboxone. For a few days I thought maybe I was going to get lucky and it would be manageable and I could continue my normal routine. Until about day 5, which is when the withdrawal symptoms started. I still feel like a wet noodle on day 15. Haven’t been to work, and my boyfriend works in the medical field in administration and can’t take time off like I can as a bartender.

    We have a 2 year old and it was taking everything in me just to take care of him. So I came up to my family’s farm in the country so I could have some help with my son while I go through this. At this point I’ve had almost every symptom listed. After taking roxi 30mg for only 5 months when I was 20, I couldn’t handle the opiate withdrawal so the family physician referred me to a doctor that was licensed in suboxone therapy.

    He had me on 2 doses of 8/2mg for freaking 6 YEARS!!!!! I never had any idea that this is wayyyyy too long to be on suboxone. I trusted that he knew what he was doing. My sister took the same pills I used to take for much longer than I ever did, did her Suboxone program in 6 weeks and said she never had any discomfort and even turned in her extra boxes B/C she didn’t need them. And here I am like a useless bump on a log.

    I just want to know how long these post acute symptoms are going to last, how can I be behind a bar, bartending when I can’t focus, I get dizzy constantly, I don’t even want to get up. I have zero energy and motivation and I can’t stay out of the restroom. I can’t be debilitated for a month or longer. I have a wonderful, normal, functioning life that I need to uphold. I am tired and embarrassed of my young and dumb days BC it is now affecting me and my family, my boyfriend who has an amazing, respectable job and my beautiful healthy little boy that keeps saying Mommy is sick.

    Breaks my heart. I guess the whole point of me writing this is to tell anyone who is thinking of the suboxone program, no matter what your doctor says, please insist that you want to get off as soon as possible. Don’t be stupid like I was and take the script every month for years, BC when you do decide to quit, you’re life will be totally different.

    And your detox will affect people who were not around when you made the decision to start and stay on this medicine BC it makes you feel what you believe at the time to be “normal”, which is a load BC it made my depression incredibly worse. Even though I was functioning day to day BC I had to. I hope these symptoms pass soon, I just want to feel like my old self again.

  • Danielle October 28, 2015, 10:26 pm

    I’m struggling, it’s almost like this is bringing back memories of how I felt going through detox. The pain, and tension, anxiety is unbarable. This stinks.

  • Heather October 29, 2015, 2:43 am

    You forgot insomnia in your list of withdrawal symptoms. The inability to sleep, along with that mysterious creepy crawly feeling that withdrawing from virtually any opiate brings, and the restless legs are the trifecta for me. All the rest I can deal with.

  • Cliff November 9, 2015, 9:20 pm

    This is time TWO for me getting off suboxone. Everyone want to know, HOW LONG? Well, I’ll tell you my little story. I first kicked off Feb 13, 2013 at 4mg a day, after 6 years of use. I took a week off work to “recover” and had a very hard time getting off my couch the whole time. Constant headache, starving but a hard time eating, cant sleep for more then 3 hrs, confusion, cross eye vision, freezing lower legs, restless legs, weakness, depression, etc. I had to go back to work on day 8, 3rd shift, freezing factory and running around all night.

    It sucked. I drove the 25 miles to work with 1 eye closed so I see clearly on the snowy roads. We got hit with a blizzard on day 10 here in R.I. I had to go out and shovel nearly 2 feet before go back to HELL. I told my wife every night before going to work, “I’m off to hell now”. As time went on, I felt better and better then one day I suddenly realized I felt completely normal.

    I started to think my brain is like a “virgin”. I could take a small dose of anything and feel the effects. The drug addict in me was speaking. I introduced a guy at work to suboxone since we both had serious opiate addictions. He was still on it and I began getting a little here and there from him, MISTAKE! I was CLEAN for nearly a year! FOOL! My mom had died and I used it as an excuse to use again. NOW, after a 1 1/2 year relapse, I’ve been off for 2 weeks.

    I tapered down to 1mg a day for a couple of weeks before kicking off. My wife got sick of my lack of sex drive, I don’t blame her. That DOES come back, by the way! I don’t feel bad, I don’t feel good [whatever]. I’ve been getting out everyday. I’m an old man is school and don’t have to work right now [thank god]. Its only been 2 weeks and I feel better every day. MY BEST ADVICE for anybody kicking off suboxone. It seems a lot worse then it really is.

    DON’T give up on yourself and take anything. You will only have to start all over again. Shut the TV off, get up, take a shower get dressed, and get the hell out into the world where you belong. I started going for long rides [be careful if your vision is bad]. I’ve been on long walks the past few days and I always feel better afterward. I started sleeping through the night 2 nights ago [day 10].

    You will slowly start feeling better and better after about day 10 if you get active. FORCE YOURSELF. Its just a thing, your mind playing tricks on you, laugh at it. Your body isn’t weak, you mind it making it think it is. The more you just do normal things, the faster you are going to feel “normal”. Don’t wallow in self pity and “wish” you felt better, BE BETTER! Hang in there all!

  • Michael November 14, 2015, 1:47 am

    Hello everyone. This is my first time commenting in a forum about suboxone and it’s nice to finally find a place I can voice my concerns. I currently take 2 mgs of suboxone a day. I started taking subs in March to get off dope. In the beginning it was like a miracle drug. No w/d’s and no cravings. I’ve been clean from heroin since then but Im trying to get off suboxone. I was taking 3-4 mgs up until the past few weeks.

    Since then I’m not allowing myself anymore than 2mg. I am very discouraged after hearing how long it will take to feel normal again. I certainly don’t want to go through life feeling like hell for months. If anyone can tell me their experience with the taper I would appreciate it. I’m not sure how fast to taper off 2mgs. I’ve heard so many different things. It seems like doctors don’t even know.

  • Red December 9, 2015, 11:46 pm

    I was on suboxone for almost 10 years due to being hooked on pain pills. Over the last year I had to switch to zubsolv because my insurance would no longer cover sub. I got down to about 3/4 of zubsolv 1.4 mg a day which is supposed to be stronger than suboxone. The zubsolv didn’t work that well for me and over the last year I slowly weened down to that dose.

    17 days ago I decided I no longer want to be a slave to that beautiful lie of a drug. Talk about being numb and not motivated every day being on zubsolv. My life was passing me by and I knew I needed a change. I’m hoping the PAWS doesnt last long since I did ween down. Some days are better than others but this is doable. It’s too bad that there aren’t more doctors that specialize in getting you off suboxone comfortably.

    I saw my sub dr a couple days ago for an emergency visit and she wanted me to just get back on it and ween slower since I was still not feeling well. I asked her how long I would be sick for if I just stopped taking it on my last months apt and she said 10 days but then told me this last apt it could be up to 30 days since I didn’t ween down to .25 mg every other day. I could not split that pill into 4 there was no way to guarantee I was getting the proper amount.

    She gave me the script and I refuse to fill it because my will to get off it is much stronger than looking back. If I could rewind time ten years I would’ve only stayed on it for about 5-7 days after getting off the pain killers. The worst part of the withdrawal is getting used to not sleeping well, anxiety, depression, and frequent stops to the bathroom. In order to get off this drug you must have the will power and determination to do it.

    The difference between sub withdrawal and opiate withdrawal is sub withdrawal is less intense, but lingers over a much longer time frame. My brain feels as though it’s re wiring itself and I’m having to learn how to live and cope without the drug to fall back on. This can be intense at times but it’s def doable. The fear of getting off this drug kept me on it for almost a decade.

    If you’re reading this and are considering going on suboxone I hope it gives you some insight as to what you will be up against getting off it if you stay on it way too long. I had some Drs try and tell me I’d be on it the rest of my life which is ridiculous. No one should be a slave to this drug for this long let alone the rest of their life.

    If you’re reading this and you think you can’t make it through the withdrawal just know it will get better no matter what stay positive and when you get your energy back think of things that make you happy. For me listening to music really helps. Staying active will definitely keep your mind off it. And staying hydrated. Good luck to everyone, I hope my story helps.

  • Red December 10, 2015, 1:32 pm

    Don’t worry. Just try and calm yourself down using breathing exercises. It won’t last a year ESP if you were not on it long. I was on it for 10 years and I’m on day 18. You have to keep your mind and body stress free. I know it’s easier said than done. Each day may get worse before it gets better but I promise you it will go away.

    It’s super super rare to be still feeling like death after a year from it. They usually say 10-90 days depending on how much you were taking when you stopped. My mornings are still worst part, but throughout the day the symptoms start to subside and eventually I know they will all go away.

  • WeeOne December 11, 2015, 1:29 pm

    Hey, I’m on sub from last Wednesday I came down to 2mg from 4mg, so far my detox has been ok. I was on 8mg from May and have been detoxing since about sept. The only thing I got was sore calfs. I’d never had sore legs before even before when I came off heroin or methadone and TBH I felt coming off the meth was easy before, but I was pregnant and wouldn’t abuse my baby so maybe I felt more will power.

    Anyway since last wed coming down to 2mg I have woke up early every morning at about 4-5 and have to go to the toilet as I have a really sore tummy. Thing is I have IBS so I’m really confused is it that or is it withdrawals from reducing. Once I take my 2mg I do feel better but I don’t want to get it in my head it’s withdrawals or I’ll end up wanting to go back up. I could go back onto meth and reduce from that but I’m not sure. I’ve heard once you try to get past 2mg it’s so, so awful.

    My drug use before wasn’t to bad on average a half gram a day. Any help would be great and it’s helped just reading comments. I know it won’t last forever but at the time you think it will. Good luck and hope you all have a Merry Christmas.

  • Scott34 December 12, 2015, 7:51 pm

    Jus a little info for you guys! If you really want something that helps with the restless leg part of coming off suboxone, then ask your doctor about prescribing you gabapentin (neurontin). I swear by it!!! It’s the best thing I have came across that actually helps!!

  • Red December 13, 2015, 10:44 pm

    Hey weeone, I have IBS also and I’m 21 days completely off suboxone and don’t take any other meds. I for the last 21 days wake up and go to the bathroom. That is normal because while you’re on suboxone since it’s an opiate it can make you constipated. That’s one of the common side effects or withdrawal symptoms. Every day is still getting better for me.

    While taking suboxone for 10 years I used to sleep all day and go to bed real late. Now I go to bed early and wake up early because if I don’t get out of bed the anxiety starts. Being on suboxone its like my brain was numb to everything and I didn’t feel emotion. Now that it’s been three weeks off I still feel numb which I know is normal, but I get glimpses of the old me coming back. It’s totally a different feeling being off of this drug after being on it a decade.

    At first I had to adjust and it was scary but now I’m getting things done I would never have done being on that crap! My advice is to get off it and stay off everything. I refuse to be a lab rat any longer. It’s nice knowing I never have to deal with another doctor or pharmacist looking down on me. And also don’t have to worry about going to the Drs every 21 days for a urine test. I guess I’m regaining my freedom and you can too! Merry Christmas to you as well!

  • Josh A December 14, 2015, 7:10 pm

    I am currently 55 days in after coming off 4 years of using H and then 3 years of 4 to 6mg of sub a day. I’ve always bought off the street. I wanted to quit but I couldn’t get to the right mindset and couldn’t take time off from life. When buying what I thought was subutex off the street, I was forced into about 2 weeks worth of withdrawal in about 60 minutes.

    What I had taken was naltrexone. This is a drug that blocks your opiate receptors, look it up. I didn’t know what had happened until about 15 minutes in when I looked up the other pill I had. That night was the worst night of my life. The RLS in my arms, core and legs was so bad I thought my bones were going to break, or at least dislocate. These WDs were unbelievable.

    I decided that I wanted nothing to do with buying drugs off the street again, that experience showed me just how easy it is to get the wrong thing and die. I thought I would die, I don’t want to die. For me, after about 3 weeks things hit a plateau. I could function, but just have no energy. Things have slowly gotten better. There seems to be no point where you wake up and are like “damn, I feel like I used to.”

    After you get to week 3 expect to just deal with low energy, but you won’t feel like sh*t. Melatonin helped me for sleep. Also, I took benzos. I know people say that is the worse thing you could do, but I was never someone who wanted anything to do with them because I hated that whole downer buzz. Get through 3 weeks, and it gets better from there. Apparently people are selling naltrexone to rip people off and others have to deal without them being able to complain.

    Make sure you never take naltrexone, that will show you something so much worse than simply going cold turkey.

  • MM December 15, 2015, 1:20 am

    Ok… let me tell the hell I’m in now, but first, 6 years ago I was doing 6-8 bags of dope a day. An old GF gave me 3, 8mg suboxone pills. I waited until I was sick, took the 1st one. Saturday felt great but I took half a pill to sleep. Sunday no pill at all. By Monday morning I was off dope. Boom 1-2-3 done. Fast-forward 4 years, now I’m back on dope. Then on methadone 110 mg of methadone (dope was getting to be too expensive).

    I stopped taking it this March… it was really messing my body up. So I started doing a bundle a day, then eventually tried the suboxone again in august. I could not get pills, so the strips I thought would help… felt great at first. I was cutting them up in 5 little strips and would take the tiny cut up one whenever I felt a knot in my stomach. But… these strips are giving me the worst hemorrhoids possible to man.

    Everyday it feels like there’s a knife in my sphincter, total hell. So I tried to get off after week or so… my ass felt way better, but I had no idea it was going to be the worst withdrawal ever. It’s been over 3 months, I go back and forth with suboxone. It’s pure hell. I’m getting on methadone, screw this. It’s total hell. Sorry if it wasn’t helpful.

    • Josh A December 16, 2015, 11:59 pm

      MM, The difference is the first time you used subs to detox, they had not been in your system at all. When going to a detox facility, that is exactly how they ease your WD symptoms. 2 to 3 subs over the course of “normal” opiate withdraws seems to float you through the worst of it. It seems that methadone and subs have around 10 times the withdrawal duration as normal opiates.

      I am sure some people will think I’m crazy for saying this, but if you could go a couple months without taking methadone or Subs, and go back to your dope, or any other normal opiates during that time, you should be able to do the same thing you did a few years ago. The worst thing anyone can do is be on subs for longer than a week. Methadone and suboxone were made so the government can get your money instead of you giving said money to the drug dealers.

      If anyone is on oxy, or dope, or any other conventional opiate and have had no sub or methadone in your system for at least a month or two. Stop the opiates for 2 days, then take a whole suboxone 8mg every 2 days until you have taken 3 8mg strips or pills. By that 6th day your in the clear. If you have taken subs or methadone in the past couple months, your fucked until you stop taking them for at least a month or two. And the only way to do that is get back on whatever dope you were on before until that government shit is out of your system.

      Also, cutting the strip up is counter productive, take the whole damn thing, it last longer and seems to do better for floating yourself through your detox.

  • Jules December 20, 2015, 10:35 am

    TODAY- I am approximately 6 and a half months post my detox from ‘Suboxone’. I am not going to lie: ‘it’ was HELL! – especially the way I ‘went about’ the withdrawal process – however, I am now SO glad I undertook ‘the journey’. Bit of background: I am a 55 year old woman with an extensive ‘history’ of alcohol and other drug obsessions and ‘misuse’. My ‘home’ drug is heroin – and the last time I used ‘her’ was about 5 months ago – in the last throes of my withdrawal from ‘Suboxone’.

    I was completely in obsession, desperate to distract from both the mental and physical agony of the detox. I live in a small community in the country: I enticed another ‘user’ to come on my mad journey to a larger city – nearly four hours drive away. I hadn’t used for just on a year at the time of my brief foray back into heroin. I pigged out over a night and a day on heroin, alcohol and gangha : adoring the brief respite from my life and living in total chaos by introducing even more chaos into my life.

    One day post my binge – my withdrawal symptoms from the ‘Suboxone’ we’re SO intense I was overwhelmed with pain again and ‘mad as a meat axe’ as I fought going back to using heroin yet again. I was ‘able’ to not use again – and it took another 2 months to really notice I was beginning to feel ‘well’ again. There were other variables at play in my life during this last year of my life: detoxing from specific psych drugs designed to treat the bipolar I live with, changing psych meds, mental illness and chronic hep C (which I have lived with for nearly 34 years).

    You will have already read enough of the hideous effects of withdrawal from ‘Suboxone’ – thus, I won’t bore you with repeating what has already been written and/or experienced. I will talk about what helped my withdrawal from being ‘on’ 32ml of ‘Suboxone’ for 2 and half years, gradually withdrawing to 22mls – and then – without any discussion with ‘my’ doctor, chemist, family or friends – I cut down how much I was ‘taking’ to 14ml – only taking my prescribed dose of 22mls when I pick up my ‘take away’ doses once a week.

    I experienced significant clarity and an improvement in my depression with every drop in the amount of ‘Suboxone’ I was ‘taking’ – thus, I was inspired to stop – and fearful of the long process ahead of me if I reduced and/or reverting to going up in my dosage level – I just stopped taking the ‘Suboxone’. Over the first week or so – when the pain got too much – either physically, mentally or emotionally- I had a few ‘binges’ on the ‘Suboxone’ I had saved from my ‘takeaway’ doses.

    Then the REAL sh*t hit the fan! I binged on ‘Valium’ a couple of times – but until my ‘pig out’ on the aforementioned on heroin – and a few binges on alcohol- I stayed ‘clean’ of ‘altering substances’ (!). I had huge difficulty in eating: I subsequently lost 10 kilos over the period of the detox. I found it essential to drink liquids – for quite a few months – it had to be a sweet drink and/or water or tea – to give me any energy. If I could manage to ingest food: I ate whatever I could ‘bear’ – eating and even cleaning my teeth made me gag!

    I tried to shower every day: but in all honesty – there were periods of time in which I didn’t leave my bed except to go to the toilet and/or drink something sweet. When I couldn’t sleep – I took long, long hot showers – and I attempted to burn either fragrant candles or oils regularly to ‘defuse’ the gut wrenching odor that was seeping from my body and ‘shrouded’ my clothes, sheets, towels, mattress and rooms. The process of lighting candles and/or burning oils helped enormously -especially with my mood of despair and desperation.

    Praying helped – although I am not religious. Seeking support from my doctor, chemist, family and friends – and – eventually – the ‘mentalhealthdaily.com’ site – also helped enormously. Reading and/or watching films or comedy or listening to music during the long days and nights I couldn’t sleep – helped a lot. Kindness’s shown to me helped me heal in many ways and being grateful for ALL I do ‘have’ texting, phoning, talking, emailing and social media – helped enormously.

    Distracting allowed me not to be SO lost in the pain. Eventually – being able to do ‘things’ for others and being other person focused helped me feel ‘human’ again. Spending time with dogs and cats also helped. There is probably a million different ‘things’ I could say about ‘my ‘Suboxone’ experience- but! – I think I have said enough!

    PLEASE DON’T LOSE HOPE! ‘IT’ WILL GET BETTER – MUCH, MUCH BETTER! All of a sudden, you will realize you are NOT in SO much pain – NOT SO crazy, fraught, fearful, anxious, self loathing, despairing or depressed: YOU will realize you can walk a little further, that you are not losing all your possessions – that you are eating healthier – that you have hope, gratitude and/or dreams again. HUGE LOVE and LUCK, my friends.

    Jules X! ❤️🙏🍀🌺

  • jerramie December 20, 2015, 9:58 pm

    Suboxone was no walk in the park. I had pretty much the exact same symptoms with the exception of puking. I did not puke from Suboxone withdrawals. I took Suboxone for well over 10 years. I started taking Buprinex via injection administered by the doctor. After a year – Suboxone came out. DON’T believe everything you read about withdrawals and freaking out or going crazy.

    Because I have PAWS, I knew I was in for a lengthy ride. By day 8 I started to take Loperamide (Imodium) in large doses with grapefruit juice. It stopped my withdrawal symptoms dead. I could not believe it! However, the anti diarrhea medication dehydrated me pretty bad. I had to drink a lot of water. I lowered the dosage every day and I am doing great. But without the loperamide the symptoms come right back.

    It somehow even eases the anxiety and “doomed” feelings as well. I lowered the dosage over time and currently take very small doses. I am on day 15. You can NOT get high on the medication, please do not die trying. Dehydration can kill you!

  • Steve Geng December 23, 2015, 9:16 am

    After thirty years or more of on-again-off-again opiate addiction I would like to add my encouragement to anyone trying to quit. I’ve kicked oil-burning junk habits cold turkey in jail, methadone, suboxone after short periods of use, and for me, the worst enemy was my own fear—I bought into every old-wives tale of the kicking junky writhing in pain. Addiction is like a living entity between your ears with its own survival system—it tells you that if you let it die, then you’ll die.

    It’s all illusive bullshit designed to keep you strung out and the addict in you alive. The worst physical part of withdrawal is the discomfort of a bad cold, mixed with weeks of insomnia due to fear and the obsessive illusion that a fix will solve your problem—if only for a short while, you don’t care. It’s extremely hard, if not impossible to conquer that internal addict alone (enlist help of friends, family, GOD (whatever that means to you, pray to Jesus or Vishnu or Allah, doesn’t matter—just the act of prayer will help defeat the addict within you) drug counselors, and 12 step groups.

    They will constantly remind you that the discomfort will end and you’ll never have to go thru it again—because the big lie your inner addict tells you is that the discomfort will NEVER END. When in reality, all you got to do is get through the next five minutes, or hours, or days. Believe me—your greatest enemy is not the drug—it’s your own mind, and no one is a victim of their own thinking unless they want to be. Get some good books to read for the long nights of insomnia, or binge-watch TV series that take you to another reality, or are at least well done, like Lost, or Person of Interest.

    You can do it, so find people who support that truth. Worst comes to worst, get my book Thick As Thieves and read it and you’ll see I’m the real deal. Steve Geng

  • Red December 23, 2015, 11:44 am

    Day 30 update. Max sleep is 6 hours. Still get chills and goosebumps also slight temp changes. Nightmares. Still wake up with a pounding heart and anxiety. Still sneezing (literally just did again). Just started to get dizzy last night and woke up feeling dizzy as well. The diarrhea let up two days ago finally. Bad taste in mouth and sense of smell is very heightened.

    Tired and lazy but it’s the price I pay for a decade of being on sub and prior to that abusing opiates. I wouldn’t have it any other way because if it were an easy thing to withdrawal from it would be easy to pick up again. I have to deal with the bad to appreciate the good. And I will continue to put up with this BS until it’s gone never looking back. That drug sucks and should only be used in EXTREME circumstances.

    Looking back 10-20 a day lortabs, percocets, norcos etc…yes was extreme to some, but I should’ve dealt with that withdrawal and never got on this drug. It almost ruined my life. At first I thought it was a savior of a drug but looking back if only I knew then what I know now about it I would not have got on it. Everything always happens for a reason though. Good luck to everyone who is walking thru hell with me. There is a light at the end of the tunnel… they say you just have to find it.

  • Nancy December 30, 2015, 2:06 am

    I really enjoyed reading everyone’s stories and decided to tell mine hoping to get some advice. I was on H for 5 years and was put on subs to stay clean. Back than when I was 22 the doctors never warned me I was trading an addiction for another. Yes, being on subs changed my life. I never relapsed and completely turned my life around. The only issue is I was feeling normal but still tied down to something. This drug had a grip on my soul. Slowly taking it away piece by piece.

    After 5 years on it I decided to quit cold turkey. None of my friends know. Not even my boyfriend. I’m currently on day 16. Most of my physical WD’s are gone. Day 12 is when the mental part kicked in and I felt like I was going crazy. I felt like I was plugged into a light socket. I had no appetite which I can’t afford BC I’m 5’6″ and weigh 110. I lost 7 pounds in 2 weeks.

    Anyways, I stumbled upon a website that suggest Kratom and Kava for WD relief. I been taken little Kratom and Kava for 3 days now. I feel weird when I take it but relaxed and my anxiety is completely gone. I plan on stopping tomorrow. If I quit taking this will my WD’s start all over again? I don’t want to repeat the last 2 weeks? I didn’t know Kratom can become addictive and act as an opioid for my brain. I want to continue this journey with a clear mind and body.

  • N January 15, 2016, 8:49 am

    I’ve been on 10mg patches for around 4-5 months and this is my second time trying to stop taking it. I suffer bad withdrawal every time I stop taking a medicine (I am a chronic pain/nerve damage sufferer, so I have been on more than 6 opiate based medications in 2015). So I get so fed up with feeling like sh*t – that I failed cutting out Buprenorphine the first time. Can anyone suggest when it is ok for me to take a codeine to deal with the pain? Or will it make my body wig out more due to the WD?

  • Jon January 17, 2016, 7:31 am

    I’ve been on oxys for about 7 years and switched to suboxone for the last 7 years. So 14 years total. Now I’m 2 & 1/2 days on nothing. But I can’t sleep because of these leg pains. I haven’t slept in almost 3 days cuz of this. Any suggestions for the leg pain??

  • Kathy January 17, 2016, 6:50 pm

    I am a 25 year old woman, and I am on Day 12 of no suboxone. The first 9 days were not too bad. There were waves of good, and then waves of bad. I jumped off from 2 mg a day for about two years. Days 10-12 have been great! I feel alive again and so much better. Still only sleep about 6 hours a night and wake up in the middle of the night for about an hour, but other than that, nothing too crazy…

    Just wanted to share the Things that have helped me get through the day:

    -Clonidine 0.1 mg (1 in AM and 1 before bed first 9 days)
    -Ginseng (2 a day)
    -Alive Multivitamins (2 a day)
    -Vitamin b12 (4 a day)
    -Magnesium (2 a day)
    -Lots of water and coffee (caffeine isn’t for everyone though. I’m a coffee-Holic!!)
    -Imodium AD (3 a day for days 4-9)
    -Valerian Root (3 at night)
    -St John’s Wort (2 a day)
    -Vitamin D & C ( 2 a day)
    -Walking the dog, exercise, sunlight (helps with fatigue/RLS)
    -Hot showers
    -Keeping a routine everyday.
    -Loud music!! (Works wonders I promise! )
    -Being around friends and family
    -NOT laying in bed or on the couch ( makes all symptoms worse for me!!)
    -A beer or glass of wine before bed (only one)

    Sub withdrawal is very doable, as long as you take good vitamins, drink plenty of water, and keep your mind and body busy! The clonidine needs to be used carefully because it lowers your blood pressure. I was very adamant about quitting, and that has really helped with the mental aspect of the process. For everyone out there going through this, you can do it!!! Stay positive and keep going! :)

  • Cassi February 2, 2016, 9:53 pm

    My wife and I have been on Suboxone for 5 years. Both from a Dr. We have tried to be tapered down numerous times, from a few different dr’s because none would do it. They would say, “hey let’s taper” and nothing happens. So, as crazy as it sounds… Today is the beginning of going on a very fast taper.

    Half a pill between 2 people within 2-3 days. We have no other choice. We have no family or friends, so its just us. We are accountable for ourselves and one another. We didn’t do any last night and I must say… Definitely no sleep. I tossed and turned. Restless legs. I saved mine for this morning for work… And still felt bad.

    Mostly just body pains. Anyway, I’m rambling. Wish us luck and lots of prayer. We need it. Our mind is right, as of right now. And it’s saying you can do it. Ask me in a week what it’s saying then. Hopefully, the same thing.

  • Dan February 23, 2016, 8:09 am

    I was taking about 3 80mg OxyContin and about 4 or 5 30 mg Roxie’s a day for over 3 years. I couldn’t quit and never made it past 3 days of withdrawals. I took suboxone to stop those pills. It probably saved my life. I was taking 2 12 mg strips a day for about 4 months. Then gradually lowered to 2 mg strips.

    I was supposed to taper a quarter every 2 weeks and quit but when I ran out I didn’t go back to dr. The withdrawals were tolerable. I ached and was really tired and slept the first two days. Then I couldn’t sleep at all for next week or so. I’m now about 35 days clean and not too bad. My legs still hurt and stomach is messed up at times after eating. But I guess it’s worth it. I’m now living a normal life and will try to continue. But it’s not too bad either.

  • Ebbie February 24, 2016, 12:44 am

    I’m on day 14 AS (after suboxone). I was taking far more than most here, in fact my very first sub doctor (2008) put me on 32mg a DAY. His license was eventually yanked – thank god. Had I know then, I would have suffered the 3 day narc withdrawal and been done with it. So I’ve been on high doses of subs for 8 years. I finally got nailed by a doctor who said “rehab is your only choice”.

    I went in on Feb 4 and did a FAST taper over 5 days. I was doing fairly well until they made me take naltrexone (Rivia) OMG, talk about precipitated withdrawal HELL, I was puking or crapping from every orifice. I had to wear adult diapers for 3 days. When they released me, I had no business driving home, but I was NOT suffering like that on a hard, twin bed! I wanted to die at home. (LOL, I still have a faint sense of humor left).

    I was popping Benadryl and Seroquel just to sleep. I started back to work yesterday and the only thing to keeps me going is Vyvanse for ADD and my users who love and missed me. I still feel very weak and still have the occasional crawling skin, diarrhea, stomach cramps, RLS, and on and on and on. It is an EVIL, EVIL drug and people just need to jump from narcotics, suffer the 3 days and go on with their lives.

    This is a living hell. Honestly, the ONLY thing that keeps me going is the thought I can’t ever, ever, ever go through this again. As shaky as I feel now, its a tiny fraction better than 10 days ago. If I got my hands on subs today, it would just drag this out. I want it OVER. I want to be clean and live the rest of my life knowing that I beat this.

    I’m 55 years old and I beat alcohol, pain meds, Suboxone AND survived 2 bad relationships. Hang on everyone, we CAN get through this and enjoy sunlight again. Eventually we’ll get all this shit out of us and let our brains heal. I don’t ever want to use again because I know a next time will kill me.

    • Chris March 6, 2016, 12:50 pm

      Stay strong… It will pass. Took a little while but no real physical symptoms. The mental withdrawal was by far the worst for me.

    • John May 6, 2016, 11:30 pm

      Chris, I’m, 66 and started going downhill after my wife of 25 years was murdered by a doctor, then her children from a previous marriage were trying take everything. Then my daughter came to stay with me and stole from me. Then our farm hand stole about 15K of tools while I was away and to top it off, her life insurance wouldn’t pay off, our homeowner’s wouldn’t pay and my lawyer was caught working under the table with the hospital.

      So, after I woke up I sought help with Suboxone. It worked and I quit spending hundreds of thousands of dollars chasing the next day’s fix. So don’t get depressed… there are worse situations you can be in. I tried to taper off the first time but didn’t understand so went back after 39 days. It’s a hideous drug because of its half life is so long… probably engineered that way to increase dependency and profits.

      The next time I had tapered down to 1 mg which means that I jumped off while my blood serum level was at 4mgs. Technically to jump off at 1 mg you must taper to .25mg/day because of the extremely long half life. Most people don’t understand the math. After studying the big pharma it’s most likely engineered that way. Chin up… beat big pharma… don’t let them use you!

  • Lex March 9, 2016, 5:44 pm

    I was a heavy prescription painkiller user, up to 60mg oxycodone, morphine, and norco every single day for about a year. My life was falling apart. I started suboxone a year ago, and my life has done a 360. I am on 2mg a day, and let me tell you, going from 6mg to 2 is fairy easy. The point is that going from let’s say, 10mg to 5mg is 50% of the initial dose. But going from 2mg to .5 mg is a much higher Jump in terms of the ratio.

    I quit cold turkey from 2mg and was feeling like complete death by day 2. I am a 130 pound female who does A LOT OF CARDIO. My metabolism is VERY fast. Hence why my withdrawals began after just one day. This is very rare but the more you move, the faster your body will remove toxins. I would say that day 4 was the worse. I finally slept through the night on day 6 and was able to get up and start doing daily activities again.

    I took Kratom, an herbal leaf that helps with anxiety and pain. The Kratom seized the sweats and restless legs, although it makes the stomach aches worse. But to me the shaking, sweating, restless legs, and chronic fatigue were the worst for me. The Kratom helped. And no it didn’t get me high at all, obviously a heavy opiate abuser can’t get high off an herbal substance like that. I feel as though after a week and half I was getting better.

    I relapsed and now it’s been a year and I wish I would have just quit 6 months ago. But moral of the story is, let yourself sweat, drink water as much as possible, and I promise if you can drag your miserable, sweaty disgusting feeling self out of bed to go on a walk, do so. You will feel somewhat normal as you get moving, and sitting still or laying down brings back the symptoms.

    The key is to keep your metabolism burning as much as possible. I was also a chronic marijuana user and my levels went to zero after 9 days… That tells me how fast my metabolism is. As for everyone else- just taper. Taper down to 1/64th of a mg. I know an ex-heroin user who has tapered from 16mg to .5 mg all the way to 1/64th, as she was pregnant and didn’t want to harm the baby, and she said her withdrawals were practically non existent (besides depression and some anxiety) but tapering down that low will give you the least amount of withdrawals.

    If you plan on coming off of 2mg, prepare to face the most evil demons of your existence. But please do know and understand, many people have successfully tapered down to 1/64th, and have had very very minimal withdrawals. Your body won’t be as shocked, and you give yourself time to mentally prepare as well. Don’t do the jump. Taper down and you will have a much easier time. I’ll pray for you all, as I hope you pray for me, because I am not ready to quit altogether until my chances of relapse are very low (I feel like a year has done be a lot of good).

    I will be ready in a few months. There is no reason to quit yet and risk relapse if I am not ready. Hope this helps. Remember you’re not alone. It’s doable as I have seen worse addicts than me kick suboxone. It’s a miracle drug to me, it saved my life, and if you see it as though, it can save you’re too. But there is a price to pay, just pay it slowly and monthly as the debt you’ve buried yourself in gets smaller and smaller everyday.

    We got this. We can do it. The human body is an amazing thing.

    • Stacy April 23, 2016, 11:53 am

      What a great story! Thank you for telling it!

  • Leah March 14, 2016, 3:49 am

    Honestly the sub WD was so bad I started using heroin to help for a month then just WD’d off the heroin for 3 says. Easy peasy. I’m not even kidding. If I knew subs were so much harder to get off I would have never started. They saved my life, but after 5 years I needed to get back to normal. It’s risky to start using again but it’s all I could do to get off the subs.

  • Liz April 7, 2016, 12:10 am

    Day 4 without suboxone. I’d been on it for approx one year & had tapered off during last 10 weeks. But I wasn’t prepared for the anxiety, runny nose, headache, stomach upset of past 3 days. Today the headache is gone but the restless legs even my arms kept me awake last night. And today I feel hot/cold, and have like an electric current running through my limbs.

    Not sure whether going back on amitriptyline might help. My doc also prescribed quetiapine but I don’t want to self medicate & get addicted to another substance. I know time is the healer but this first week without subs even after a slow taper is intense!

    • Bill April 8, 2016, 4:38 pm

      Hi Liz! Sorry to hear you are having a rough time. I have not taken suboxone, but have taken amitriptyline on and off for thirty years. Just based on what you report and my experience, it seems likely that amitriptyline wouldn’t erase your suboxone withdrawal symptoms, but would ease them some. Among other things it is an antihistamine so should mitigate the runny nose.

      It has also been very helpful for anxiety and headaches. I hope you will discuss your issues with your doctor. Of course amitriptyline may have withdrawal symptoms of its own. That has been my experience. On the other hand, the side effects may be less troublesome and in many cases may be a bonus (better sleep, fewer headaches, less itching), so I don’t mind taking a moderate dosage long term.

  • Jacob April 11, 2016, 12:40 am

    Not sure how old this is but I figured I’d share my story. I started taking oxycodone and was on that for about 3 years eventually getting up to 100-200mg a day and up to 400mg. I would take suboxone when I didn’t have the money for it. I was only about 20 when I really started taking them everyday but during the whole time I managed to still work out constantly. Usually 4-5 times a week even during the height of my problem.

    I know that this isn’t an option for everyone but I believe it is essential for those that can. I’m on day 6 off sub today. I believe that keeping my health levels high aside from my problem has accelerated this process a by a huge amount. I eat healthy and exercise almost everyday doing weight training and cardio. Cardio is probably the best for cleaning your system and getting your brain back to normal.

    I’m on day 6 and I definitely don’t fell 100% but I would say I’m about 75%. I never needed to take more then 4mg of sub so again I’m sorry if this doesn’t apply to you, but you can get down to this level and exercise during the process. I tapered down till I could get to .25mg a day maybe a little less. Then started skipping days. Once I skipped 3 days I quit and only had minor discomfort.

    The only problem I really have at this point is not being able to sleep very well. I usually get about 2-4 hours a night and have night sweats, but I can already tell those are getting better. Gonna wrap this up by saying that you can do this! You just have to try and keep a positive attitude. When something makes me mad I just try to laugh about it and remind myself that I’m making a huge positive change in my life.

    I’ve really started to appreciate the little things again. So if you can try to make all the other aspects of your life healthy and it will speed up the process immensely I promise. You can do this!

  • Kevin April 17, 2016, 10:59 am

    It’s been about a month now, I can deal with the pain, what kills me is the insomnia. I had some leftover ativan from my mom’s hospice and that really seems to help the twitching and restlessness.

  • Stacy April 23, 2016, 11:41 am

    I’m a little freaked out because I keep waiting for the horrible symptoms to start. I jumped off 12 days ago at 4mg a day and was on suboxone for 2 years (6mg for 1 year, 4mg for 1 year). I don’t feel great, tons of body aches, a little nausea, and a general feeling of anxiety, but this is not the horror I’ve heard from so many other people. Every morning I wake up, besides my aches, I feel fairly good. It gets worse through the day but I can still function. When will the rough part start? Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

  • Joey May 17, 2016, 12:25 am

    I will tell you it’s hard to do, but I did it and I felt like sh#t for over a year. I tapered off and that really helped. I stopped cold and that was painful. It’s been 16 months and I am still having anxiety and the shakes. I would recommend never even trying it for coming off pain medication.

  • Brian May 20, 2016, 6:28 pm

    I just want to thank everyone for your insight and your advice it’s been very helpful. My story is a little different, I have been with my girlfriend for about 7 years and when we first met she was addicted to oxycodone. I think that I might have had a hand in helping her go to her Dr and she got on subs. Well ill be damned. I started taking small amounts of her subs because it made me feel like I had more energy that was about 5 years ago and now I’m in day 5 of a miserable detox.

    I have yet to get more than 2hrs per night of sleep but I am beginning to feel much better. This is the toughest thing I ever had to go through. Please stay away from this stuff and if your going through this now – stay strong it gets better. God Bless. Brian

  • Lizbeth Maher May 22, 2016, 12:08 pm

    My husband took 1 year to taper off and is 3 weeks short of being off it completely for 1 year. He still is not back to him old self I cannot remember his old self. I do not know how people live through this without God.

    I want to scream from the rooftops the news to never go on this horrible drug. He was never put on it for an addiction which adds to the frustration. It makes no sense to us at all. If we only knew the horrible story of suboxone 9 year ago.

  • Brian May 28, 2016, 2:27 pm

    Good morning, I’ve been off 13 days now and have been sleeping about 7 hours nightly (last three days) thank god! So I still have that queasy feeling in my stomach as well as a light fog on my brain. I reread my original post and was really amazed at how scattered my thoughts were.

    Look all I’m saying it is getting better now and although I still have a ways to go, there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel. Lol just wish it was a little closer. Anyways hang in there lots of gatorade, exercise and don’t give up I’m doing it so I know you can too!! God Bless

  • Darin May 31, 2016, 3:53 pm

    I have been on Suboxone for approx 7 years. It saved my life. I was taking overdose amounts of Percocet and my doctor caught me and got me help. I was taking 12mg per day and tapered down to less that… 10mg per day. I am on day 4 of my withdrawal and the only real problem I am having is restless legs at night and not sleeping. I got absolutely no sleep last night and it seems to be getting worse. How long will this last?

  • Nicki June 3, 2016, 1:04 pm

    I have been on 4mg subutex for about 6 months now due to my heroin addiction and becoming pregnant. I no longer wish to take this medication because every week I have to drive 40 mins to the clinic and it really puts a lot of things on hold. I have been weaning myself off I’m down to 2mg a day. Should this withdrawal be that terrible as oppose to being on a higher dosage for years.

    Anything I can do to make it easier? I have been off all drugs aside from Subutex and have no desire to go back to the drug that once owned me. I just lost a dear close friend to an overdose… Going to his funeral today. I’m done with opiates. Any input would be great! Thanks in advance.

  • dianne June 8, 2016, 6:59 am

    I decided to see how long I could go without taking my suboxone and now it is 120 hours (5 going on 6 days) and I have not ONE symptom of withdrawal.
    I was taking two 8mg film strips per day. 16 mg total. This is insane after everything I have read. I have been taking it for going on 6 years. It is the brandname.

    I am overweight so it may be an absorption thing. And I have taken drug tests every 3 months to prove I am on it and not selling it. So I know that I was getting the drug and not being duped by the drug companies. I never felt any effects from the suboxone when taking it.

    But I was addicted to a lot of heavy duty nasty drugs 6 years ago, fentanyl, opium, soma and klonopin. When I decided to get off them, the suboxone worked like a charm. I had no withdrawal. But what’s the deal. Why am I not feeling any symptoms?

  • Kenneth Crochet June 14, 2016, 1:23 pm

    I have been taking Suboxone for over a year now and for the last 6 months I have only been doing 1/6 to 1/7 of a 2mg strip per day. I have not taken any for at least 3 days now and I am having some mild withdrawal symptoms. Being that I was taking such a low dose, will the withdrawals last as long as a month? I have tried some of the over counter remedies (SAM-E, Loperamide, and Advil) it seems to work for the most part, but I am afraid of taking to much Loperamide. What would be a safe daily dose of it? My main question is how long should I expect the symptoms to last?

  • Kenneth Crochet June 29, 2016, 11:33 am

    It has been 19 days now since my last dose and all withdrawal symptoms are gone and I’m feeling great. Thanks everybody and good luck to you all. Just be strong it will pass and the grass is greener on the other side.

    • Suzie September 19, 2016, 5:35 am

      Did you go cold turkey?

  • Derrick July 26, 2016, 11:25 pm

    I am 5 days in to withdrawing from Suboxone. I hoped that the first couple days would be the worst, but it has gotten worse every day. Feeling helpless right now, but I know it will end in time…

  • Ryan July 31, 2016, 7:21 pm

    Everyone who is trying to get off this drug stay strong. I was taking suboxone 8-16mg for multiple years, I had to check into a rehab to get it done but through the pain it is worth every second, I can now live life and not live with a monkey on my back. Getting into treatment and going to AA or NA meetings help. It’s a long road but a long road back to living life!

  • Suzie September 19, 2016, 5:33 am

    Hi Guys, Today is my 10th day w’drawing from suboxone. I was on 16mgs a day for four years… I feel like absolute crap, I have no desire or energy to do anything. I’ve become housebound because my anxiety which I already had prior to suboxone is through the roof. The insomnia is driving me insane I just want to get back on the program and not feel this horrible feeling… the tingling feeling all through my body, my lack of energy, I am barely eating and barely getting out of bed to have a shower. I went cold turkey but I need some advice from you all because I am sooooo scared that I’m going to die because of the withdrawals. Your advice is much appreciated.

  • MikeofArk September 19, 2016, 9:12 pm

    Was on 8mg/2mg once per day for over four years. Began my taper at 2mg/0.5mg per day, and the last couple months were 1/3 of a 2mg/0.5mg strip per day. I guess the math says that would be about 0.67mg per day for about three months. I went directly into bad withdrawals the next day, and at day 21 I am still there. Virtually the same as day 1.

    I managed to get a handful of 5mg hydrocodone, and have taken 3-4 per day for about 5-6 days because I HAD to have a break from this. As of today that’s over, and back to the withdrawals as they were several days ago. I’m in my late 50’s, never bought off the street, never shot up, no coke, no meth, nothing but rx. meds. I wanted off the oxycodone & morphine so I could be awake and have a life, so a doc started me on Sub. at my request.

    All I did was go from sleeping through life to just watching life go by. That’s why I’m trying so hard to come off EVERYTHING. I’m too old for this crap!! I’ve been dead once, and right now would not mind being there again – for good. Should I make it through this withdrawal I plan to sue the doctor(s) that put me in this situation as well as the company that makes and markets suboxone.

    Madness, panic, and hopelessness. That’s all there is for me at this time…

  • Rachel September 22, 2016, 12:49 am

    I had been on pain meds. for 10 years because of a back injury resulting in 3 operations. I felt like the doctors basically got tired of treating me. They didn’t know what to do with me so rather than try to decrease the pain meds. they put me on Suboxone. I blame myself for not researching this drug beforehand. It was presented to me as some miracle cure.

    I no longer desired pain meds. but I was still in chronic pain. I told my doctors this over and over with no results. I was on Suboxone for 6 years. Finally I ask my doctor why am I on this med. if its not addressing the pain issues I have. My thought was that one addiction had been substituted with another. So I tapered myself down and stopped taking it. I am in week 3 of withdrawals and have had every symptom possible.

    I am a mess but I refuse to go back. My question is did the good outweigh the bad? My answer is no. I wish I had never heard of Suboxone. So for anyone out there considering taking this drug do your research first. It’s no walk in the park. Good luck to all who are trying to take their life back from Suboxone.

  • Kevin January 1, 2017, 12:17 pm

    Well I’ve been quitting suboxone for the past 14 days today being day 15. Now don’t get me wrong here it was sure hell jumping off 8mg a day plus. What I did is I got on the old iPad and did some resource on over the counter meds that help with the withdrawal. This is what I found I used magnesium 250mg I took like 4 of these at a time to stop the shaking legs.

    I also bought some l-tyrosine 500mg I took these one at a time 3 to 5 times a day – this helped with the stress and boredom. It helps grow the receptors back a little quicker. I also got a prenatal vitamins took one in the morning and one at night. Ok the end result was a lot better then the last time I quit cold turkey.

    I’ve been clean 14 days now, and everyday gets a little better. A month and I should be free from the bond of slavery that drug had me in. Can’t say this will work for you, but it did for a fact help me. But I’m a very strong minded man who takes no crap from anyone and I live 100 percent free now. Hope this helps.

  • Mommabear January 19, 2017, 3:24 am

    So I was on Subutex for 4+ years I recently went to rehab and currently have 18 days sober. While on subs my period was regular, never late, etc and now that I’m sober still having some withdrawal symptoms, I’m late, and freaking out. Is this normal? Has anyone else have this happen to them? I’m 28 and a single mom to 2 kids and I’m not sure if I should take a test or what. PLEASE HELP!

    • Cat January 24, 2017, 7:27 pm

      This is very normal. I’ve been off 8 mg Subutex for 16 days now and my period is all messed up. I’ve had it for a day heavy then it’s gone and comes back 5 days later. Your body just needs time to heal.

  • Robert reid February 14, 2017, 6:26 pm

    I have been off Sub now for 1 year and 4 months. Still having sleep issues. And now my skin is being affected by the sleep loss. Used to get 8 to 9 hours and now I get 4 to 5. Was on Sub for 7 years. Everything is great except for this sleep thing. Anyone experiencing the same problem?

    • Goldilocks March 15, 2017, 12:53 pm

      Can you tell me how long it took you for the bad physical w/d’s to lessen? We have a similar timeframe of use. I am on Day 24 still feeling that uncomfortable RLS/body achiness first thing when I wake up in the morning. And info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

  • Goldilocks March 15, 2017, 12:49 pm

    I am on day 24 and I still feel like absolute death. I must say each day has gotten a little bit better but I thought the physical symptoms would be long gone by now. I was on suboxone for 3 years and tramadol 4-5 years before that. I’m just hoping I have that day to look forward to where my entire body doesn’t wake up in the most uncomfortable RLS/pain possible.

    I have been using the help of Kratom but I want to stop as soon as the w/d’s are somewhat manageable. Does anyone have any experience with starting to feel less w/d and then weaning off the Kratom successfully? Good luck to the rest of you out there, stay strong and keep living for that next better day. We can do it!! For a better life and better future.

  • Kayla March 15, 2017, 4:43 pm

    My husband has been on subutex, for around 4-5 years. He decided to quit cold turkey around 10 days ago from 18mgs of the sublingual pills. He is now sick, vomiting, with chills, fever, aches and pains, sweating. Could this be caused by that? I encouraged him to wean off but he wanted off completely. Thanks for any advice or help. I’m just confused if he is sick or sick from withdraw?!

  • emily March 25, 2017, 3:06 pm

    I want to post my success story here for all those reading this and freaking themselves out. I was on methadone for 5 & 1/2 years (highest dose 145mgs!) It took 3 long years to taper to 28mgs… I was pretty miserable and I knew it would take me another year-year and a half to get off so I switched to suboxone to finish my taper.

    I stayed stable 6mgs for 2 weeks, then 4mgs for 3 weeks then began my taper (my doc prescribed me 16mgs per day, so I had more than enough to taper). I tapered down 1/2mgs every 6 days until I reached 2mgs, then I went .25mgs every 4-6 days until I reached 1mgs. This is where I started to feel the most discomfort, but, still tolerable. I started splitting my dose so I could sleep better at night (most in the morning, and the rest around 4pm).

    From 1mg I would then go down .25mgs every 8-10 days. Once I reached .50mgs it became a little rougher still, but, again tolerable. I had to start taking melatonin 5mgs to sleep at night. I stayed at .50mgs for 10 days then decreased to .25mgs. It took about 5 days to feel 80% adjusted. I waited an extra 3 days then I stopped. I went 2 days without anything… 1st day was ok, tired, a bit restless. I got about 5 hours of sleep.

    2nd day was a bit more uncomfortable but I went for walks, played with my son, took hot epsom salt baths and watch funny movies. I also had clonidine which helped (and smoked weed at night before bed). On the 3rd day I took 1.5mgs and threw the rest out. I took 2 weeks off of work, but, still did things to keep myself busy.

    I had some restlessness, anxiety and malaise/fatigue but I pushed through it and it wasn’t as bad as people make it out to be. I continued to eat healthy meals, especially high protein meals with veggies, I took mitadone withdrawal aid (from amazon)… the clonidine, as I said before, helped. I had 2 xanax bars that I used when I hadnt slept well just to get a few hours sleep.

    If I got restless arms I would do push ups, take hot baths, and my husband would give me massages. Around day 10 I started to feel much better and every day got better and better. THE main thing is to keep BUSY… take vitamins, eat well when you can, Imodium, Clonidine, hot baths, gatorade, funny movies, brisk walks, and a good attitude and you will do JUST FINE.

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